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Mon Jan 20, 2025 7:47 pm

Don’t want to start an argument. But didn’t you read my second sentence? We are already paying a sh@triad of taxes! Why give more? And you are repeating what I said! No free housing! Or did I misinterpret you are agreeing with me?

Mon Jan 20, 2025 10:11 pm

ALLWAGONS wrote: Don’t want to start an argument. But didn’t you read my second sentence? We are already paying a sh@triad of taxes! Why give more? And you are repeating what I said! No free housing! Or did I misinterpret you are agreeing with me?

I think this is where the confusion is coming from

allwagons said:

Quote: Let the government help those folks , We already pay tons of taxes in California, We SHOULD have enough!

Ok...are you referring to ...."let the CALIFORNIA government help"...because you already pay enough taxes to them?

I/We...agree.

If however you are referring to the "Federal Givernment"....this is where the problem is. The Federal government has "0" money to give to California.

The federal governments money is MY money...other people outside of California money...and yes...some of your money.

This is why many of us...even though we greatly sympathize and know that everyone needs help.....are mad as hell watching this debacle that could have been...if not actually been prevented....could have been GREATLY reduced in severity and scale....with some judicious spending of the money the poor California people already paid, some better planning...and some more competent state employees.

This is just outside observation....but there is no way California can afford to pay even the bare minimum required to make these people....if not "whole"....at least afford them a useful residence (and I am not speaking of the rich people). That money will have to come from somewhere.

I am betting this will nearly break the "FAIR" program. Next in line are the rest of the taxpayers money in the US.

Ray

Mon Jan 20, 2025 10:16 pm

raygreenwood wrote: ALLWAGONS wrote: Don’t want to start an argument. But didn’t you read my second sentence? We are already paying a sh@triad of taxes! Why give more? And you are repeating what I said! No free housing! Or did I misinterpret you are agreeing with me?

I think this is where the confusion is coming from

allwagons said:

Quote: Let the government help those folks , We already pay tons of taxes in California, We SHOULD have enough!

Ok...are you referring to ...."let the CALIFORNIA government help"...because you already pay enough taxes to them?

I/We...agree.

If however you are referring to the "Federal Givernment"....this is where the problem is. The Federal government has "0" money to give to California.

The federal governments money is MY money...other people outside of California money...and yes...some of your money.

This is why many of us...even though we greatly sympathize and know that everyone needs help.....are mad as hell watching this debacle that could have been...if not actually been prevented....could have been GREATLY reduced in severity and scale....with some judicious spending of the money the poor California people already paid, some better planning...and some more competent state employees.

This is just outside observation....but there is no way California can afford to pay even the bare minimum required to make these people....if not "whole"....at least afford them a useful residence (and I am not speaking of the rich people). That money will have to come from somewhere.

I am betting this will nearly break the "FAIR" program. Next in line are the rest of the taxpayers money in the US.

Ray

California taxpayers should not be stuck with the bill any more so than the rest of the American taxpayers. This is an issue for insurance, or the property owners to pay for, not other taxpayers. You agreeing that California taxpayers should be stuck with the bill is really terrible seeing as you are in Oklahoma City and thus have no skin in the game. I am in California, I live closer to Nevada than I live from that southern California fire. It aint my responsibility to buy them new housing. I need my money for my housing, to heck with anyone telling me otherwise when they are not on the hook themselves.

Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:20 pm

zerotofifty wrote: raygreenwood wrote: ALLWAGONS wrote: Don’t want to start an argument. But didn’t you read my second sentence? We are already paying a sh@triad of taxes! Why give more? And you are repeating what I said! No free housing! Or did I misinterpret you are agreeing with me?

I think this is where the confusion is coming from

allwagons said:

Quote: Let the government help those folks , We already pay tons of taxes in California, We SHOULD have enough!

Ok...are you referring to ...."let the CALIFORNIA government help"...because you already pay enough taxes to them?

I/We...agree.

If however you are referring to the "Federal Givernment"....this is where the problem is. The Federal government has "0" money to give to California.

The federal governments money is MY money...other people outside of California money...and yes...some of your money.

This is why many of us...even though we greatly sympathize and know that everyone needs help.....are mad as hell watching this debacle that could have been...if not actually been prevented....could have been GREATLY reduced in severity and scale....with some judicious spending of the money the poor California people already paid, some better planning...and some more competent state employees.

This is just outside observation....but there is no way California can afford to pay even the bare minimum required to make these people....if not "whole"....at least afford them a useful residence (and I am not speaking of the rich people). That money will have to come from somewhere.

I am betting this will nearly break the "FAIR" program. Next in line are the rest of the taxpayers money in the US.

Ray

California taxpayers should not be stuck with the bill any more so than the rest of the American taxpayers. This is an issue for insurance, or the property owners to pay for, not other taxpayers. You agreeing that California taxpayers should be stuck with the bill is really terrible seeing as you are in Oklahoma City and thus have no skin in the game. I am in California, I live closer to Nevada than I live from that southern California fire. It aint my responsibility to buy them new housing. I need my money for my housing, to heck with anyone telling me otherwise when they are not on the hook themselves.

Where the f*ck did I say Californians should be stuck with the bill?....point it out....quote it...and repost it.

I did not say that at all.

Read more carefully. I stated that the sad fact is...perobably....that California will not be able to afford this level of damage. And...further...I stated that the FAIR system of insurance would probably break under it as well.

That means that the federal government will be paying for this eventually. FACT!

A BIGGER FACT...the federal gvernent does not have a single dollar to their name. They have OTHER PEOPLES dollars.....your dollars...their dollars and my dollars.

So.....that being the case....it does not make a shit where I live. My dollars (just like yours and theirs) will be paying the bill eventually...so hell yes I have skin in the game.

My point....to make it more clear....I do not have an issue with paying MY TAX DOLLARS to help any Americans. But when this is over....I want the highly paid California shit bags that squandered or grifted away the shit tons of money the citizens of California paid...and got diddly for it.....to be held accountable.

Ray

Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:57 pm

Ask and you shall receive, copied verbatim....

"Ok...are you referring to ...."let the CALIFORNIA government help"...because you already pay enough taxes to them?

I/We...agree.

If however you are referring to the "Federal Givernment"....this is where the problem is"

Now perhaps you meant something else?

You also wrote...

"My point....to make it more clear....I do not have an issue with paying MY TAX DOLLARS to help any Americans"

I do have a problem with my tax dollars helping any Americans. That is not what taxes are for. Charity is where the help should come from, not from other peoples taxes.

At anyrate, your tax dollars are already spent, spending today will be paid by our grandkids, who have no say in the matter, and that is wrong.

Tue Jan 21, 2025 8:41 am

I’m sorry, but living a mile a way from the fire and witnessing it first hand, with many friends and acquaintances losing everything, we are still going to pay for it wether we like it or not, I could care less if it’s the local, state or Federal government! We are paying for it! Or at least we are going to be stuck with the bill. So let them pretend they will pay!

Tue Jan 21, 2025 8:58 am

I find it hilarious that we are all in this forum with a common denominator, our beloved VW, but the minute someone doesn’t agree with us, people start insulting each other! Then we live with the bs of #anycitySTRONG bull crap!

Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:41 am

ALLWAGONS wrote: I find it hilarious that we are all in this forum with a common denominator, our beloved VW, but the minute someone doesn’t agree with us, people start insulting each other! Then we live with the bs of #anycitySTRONG bull crap!

Believe it or not, some of "us" who belove our VW's do not think tax money should be spent on replacing homes. Others of "us" believe the tax collected should be used for replacing homes.
To say that those people of one opinion or another on the subject at hand are not part of "us" (i.e. belovers of VW's) is somewhat insulting.
Who is the "us", and who is not "us" amongst the belovers of VW's ?

Is it "us" and "them" now? Which is neato tune I thinks, enjoy.....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HoLhKJuGhK0&pp=ygUWdXMgYW5kIHRoZW0gcGluayBmbG95ZA%3D%3D

Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:56 am

zerotofifty wrote: Ask and you shall receive, copied verbatim....

"Ok...are you referring to ...."let the CALIFORNIA government help"...because you already pay enough taxes to them?

I/We...agree.

If however you are referring to the "Federal Givernment"....this is where the problem is"

Now perhaps you meant something else?

You also wrote...

"My point....to make it more clear....I do not have an issue with paying MY TAX DOLLARS to help any Americans"

I do have a problem with my tax dollars helping any Americans. That is not what taxes are for. Charity is where the help should come from, not from other peoples taxes.

At anyrate, your tax dollars are already spent, spending today will be paid by our grandkids, who have no say in the matter, and that is wrong.

Yes..."almost" verbatim...and it still seems to have gone over your head! :wink:

Let me spell it out.....

Allwagons said to YOU:

Quote: Don’t want to start an argument. But didn’t you read my second sentence? We are already paying a sh@triad of taxes! Why give more? And you are repeating what I said! No free housing! Or did I misinterpret you are agreeing with me?

And I said to him:

I think this is where the confusion is coming from:

(meaning from what Allwagons said)

Quote:
Let the government help those folks , We already pay tons of taxes in California, We SHOULD have enough!

Then I saidfurther to him:

Ok...are you referring to ...."let the CALIFORNIA government help"...because you already pay enough taxes to them? I/We...agree.

Let me explain what I meant by that.....which should be obvious

It means...hell yes...the poor people of California HAVE ALREADY paid enough taxes that this should not be an issue covering it by themselves.
However as anyone can see....due to the poorly planned debacle (no fire mitigation, no water, not enough fire trucks, cut budgets etc. etc. etc.)...its 100% clear that California will never be able to cover the costs of this debacle.
They SHOULD have been able to.... because it should have never been allowed to have gotten to this scale. Pure incompetence.

I went on to further say:

Quote: If however you are referring to the "Federal Givernment"....this is where the problem is. The Federal government has "0" money to give to California. Fact by the way

The federal governments money is MY money...other people outside of California money...and yes...some of your money. also a fact

This is why many of us...even though we greatly sympathize and know that everyone needs help.....are mad as hell watching this debacle that could have been...if not actually been prevented....could have been GREATLY reduced in severity and scale....with some judicious spending of the money the poor California people already paid, some better planning...and some more competent state employees.

Question: Where in there did i say I did not want to help.....or did not want my tax dollars to help....and other than being pissed off about the waste....this is not anything near the same saying I did not want to help with my tax dollars.

I went on to say:

Quote: This is just outside observation....but there is no way California can afford to pay even the bare minimum required to make these people....if not "whole"....at least afford them a useful residence (and I am not speaking of the rich people). That money will have to come from somewhere. FACT

I am betting this will nearly break the "FAIR" program. Next in line are the rest of the taxpayers money in the US....
and that last one is THE big FACT...and while it pisses me off because....the state of California Should both: A. have plenty of money and B. should never have let the risk factors get to this scale....and still...nowhere I did not say I did NOT want my tax dollars to help them

I was pretty clear in what I wrote...and yet you seem to be running around looking to pick a fight....when we are all pretty much saying the same thing.

Ray

Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:12 am

You guys do know that California, YES! CALIFORNIA! Has the world’s 5th largest economy!

No disrespect to anyone, I will repeat, I /we Californians pay up the arse in taxes. Make good use of them!

Over and out!

Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:28 am

raygreenwood wrote: zerotofifty wrote: Ask and you shall receive, copied verbatim....

"Ok...are you referring to ...."let the CALIFORNIA government help"...because you already pay enough taxes to them?

I/We...agree.

If however you are referring to the "Federal Givernment"....this is where the problem is"

Now perhaps you meant something else?

You also wrote...

"My point....to make it more clear....I do not have an issue with paying MY TAX DOLLARS to help any Americans"

I do have a problem with my tax dollars helping any Americans. That is not what taxes are for. Charity is where the help should come from, not from other peoples taxes.

At anyrate, your tax dollars are already spent, spending today will be paid by our grandkids, who have no say in the matter, and that is wrong.

Yes..."almost" verbatim...and it still seems to have gone over your head! :wink:

Let me spell it out.....

Allwagons said to YOU:

Quote: Don’t want to start an argument. But didn’t you read my second sentence? We are already paying a sh@triad of taxes! Why give more? And you are repeating what I said! No free housing! Or did I misinterpret you are agreeing with me?

And I said to him:

I think this is where the confusion is coming from:

(meaning from what Allwagons said)

Quote:
Let the government help those folks , We already pay tons of taxes in California, We SHOULD have enough!

Then I saidfurther to him:

Ok...are you referring to ...."let the CALIFORNIA government help"...because you already pay enough taxes to them? I/We...agree.

Let me explain what I meant by that.....which should be obvious

It means...hell yes...the poor people of California HAVE ALREADY paid enough taxes that this should not be an issue covering it by themselves.
However as anyone can see....due to the poorly planned debacle (no fire mitigation, no water, not enough fire trucks, cut budgets etc. etc. etc.)...its 100% clear that California will never be able to cover the costs of this debacle.
They SHOULD have been able to.... because it should have never been allowed to have gotten to this scale. Pure incompetence.

I went on to further say:

Quote: If however you are referring to the "Federal Givernment"....this is where the problem is. The Federal government has "0" money to give to California. Fact by the way

The federal governments money is MY money...other people outside of California money...and yes...some of your money. also a fact

This is why many of us...even though we greatly sympathize and know that everyone needs help.....are mad as hell watching this debacle that could have been...if not actually been prevented....could have been GREATLY reduced in severity and scale....with some judicious spending of the money the poor California people already paid, some better planning...and some more competent state employees.

Question: Where in there did i say I did not want to help.....or did not want my tax dollars to help....and other than being pissed off about the waste....this is not anything near the same saying I did not want to help with my tax dollars.

I went on to say:

Quote: This is just outside observation....but there is no way California can afford to pay even the bare minimum required to make these people....if not "whole"....at least afford them a useful residence (and I am not speaking of the rich people). That money will have to come from somewhere. FACT

I am betting this will nearly break the "FAIR" program. Next in line are the rest of the taxpayers money in the US....
and that last one is THE big FACT...and while it pisses me off because....the state of California Should both: A. have plenty of money and B. should never have let the risk factors get to this scale....and still...nowhere I did not say I did NOT want my tax dollars to help them

I was pretty clear in what I wrote...and yet you seem to be running around looking to pick a fight....when we are all pretty much saying the same thing.

Ray

No fight trying to be picked by me. I simply dont want my taxes going to rebuild these homes. I pay for my own insurance, been paying for 35 years. I should not be on the hook for other peoples homes. I have written such that no clarification should be needed on my opinion in this regard. Some others may have written in such a way that their opinion is not crystal clear to me. Different writing style I suppose.
Others have expressed different opinions than mine, it is interesting to read them all.

Have a nice day!!!!!!

Tue Jan 21, 2025 2:02 pm

Insurance isn't the whole answer when fat cat insurance companies are cancelling or tripling premiums... premiums paid for decades but now when its time for a claim, there is no money?

Edison and other power companies have neglected maintenance of brush and tree clearance around facilities for many years. But now they cry that they need MORE money to do what they should have been doing all along?

Folks should write down these words in posts above, and recite them at the next hurricane, flood, tornado, levee break, bridge failure, oil spill, nor'easter, etc. Other states have received more in disaster aid than California, who pays far more than DC sends back. Curiously selective to pick NOW to add conditions to disaster aid. I've never seen such partisan hate and other "un-Christian" attitudes than lately. I wonder why that is? :roll:

Tue Jan 21, 2025 2:45 pm

Reading the comments in this thread leads me to believe some samba members feel that Federal/Tax payers support for Maui should cease.

Tue Jan 21, 2025 3:01 pm

ALLWAGONS wrote: I find it hilarious that we are all in this forum with a common denominator, our beloved VW, but the minute someone doesn’t agree with us, people start insulting each other! Then we live with the bs of #anycitySTRONG bull crap!

dunno if it's the hobby, but I've said it before... VW people are like: early vs late, late vs late late, late vs watercooled, early watercooled vs late and it goes on and on

I think the frustration with taxes is 1) the US as a whole is in debt and we give way too much to other countries...all of them and 2) if you can give trillions away you feel like you're being taxed too much when stuff like this happens and we can't seem to help our own

That said, I don't think the gov't should just be handing out money, more like very low/no interest loans to help people out.

and trust me, we will ALL pay for it.

remember when that CHAZ CHOP bullshit was going on and every city seemed to be burning down?

My business insurance DOUBLED because guess fucking what? it's pretty expensive to rebuild post offices, Wal-Mart's CVS's etc

And sure as shit our home policy went up by at least 45%. My (rock star) agent basically said we're paying for all the b/s that happened.

So, where I'm going with this is CA's incompetence is going to cost us ALL something....mark my words

Tue Jan 21, 2025 3:12 pm

zerotofifty wrote: raygreenwood wrote: zerotofifty wrote: Ask and you shall receive, copied verbatim....

"Ok...are you referring to ...."let the CALIFORNIA government help"...because you already pay enough taxes to them?

I/We...agree.

If however you are referring to the "Federal Givernment"....this is where the problem is"

Now perhaps you meant something else?

You also wrote...

"My point....to make it more clear....I do not have an issue with paying MY TAX DOLLARS to help any Americans"

I do have a problem with my tax dollars helping any Americans. That is not what taxes are for. Charity is where the help should come from, not from other peoples taxes.

At anyrate, your tax dollars are already spent, spending today will be paid by our grandkids, who have no say in the matter, and that is wrong.

Yes..."almost" verbatim...and it still seems to have gone over your head! :wink:

Let me spell it out.....

Allwagons said to YOU:

Quote: Don’t want to start an argument. But didn’t you read my second sentence? We are already paying a sh@triad of taxes! Why give more? And you are repeating what I said! No free housing! Or did I misinterpret you are agreeing with me?

And I said to him:

I think this is where the confusion is coming from:

(meaning from what Allwagons said)

Quote:
Let the government help those folks , We already pay tons of taxes in California, We SHOULD have enough!

Then I saidfurther to him:

Ok...are you referring to ...."let the CALIFORNIA government help"...because you already pay enough taxes to them? I/We...agree.

Let me explain what I meant by that.....which should be obvious

It means...hell yes...the poor people of California HAVE ALREADY paid enough taxes that this should not be an issue covering it by themselves.
However as anyone can see....due to the poorly planned debacle (no fire mitigation, no water, not enough fire trucks, cut budgets etc. etc. etc.)...its 100% clear that California will never be able to cover the costs of this debacle.
They SHOULD have been able to.... because it should have never been allowed to have gotten to this scale. Pure incompetence.

I went on to further say:

Quote: If however you are referring to the "Federal Givernment"....this is where the problem is. The Federal government has "0" money to give to California. Fact by the way

The federal governments money is MY money...other people outside of California money...and yes...some of your money. also a fact

This is why many of us...even though we greatly sympathize and know that everyone needs help.....are mad as hell watching this debacle that could have been...if not actually been prevented....could have been GREATLY reduced in severity and scale....with some judicious spending of the money the poor California people already paid, some better planning...and some more competent state employees.

Question: Where in there did i say I did not want to help.....or did not want my tax dollars to help....and other than being pissed off about the waste....this is not anything near the same saying I did not want to help with my tax dollars.

I went on to say:

Quote: This is just outside observation....but there is no way California can afford to pay even the bare minimum required to make these people....if not "whole"....at least afford them a useful residence (and I am not speaking of the rich people). That money will have to come from somewhere. FACT

I am betting this will nearly break the "FAIR" program. Next in line are the rest of the taxpayers money in the US....
and that last one is THE big FACT...and while it pisses me off because....the state of California Should both: A. have plenty of money and B. should never have let the risk factors get to this scale....and still...nowhere I did not say I did NOT want my tax dollars to help them

I was pretty clear in what I wrote...and yet you seem to be running around looking to pick a fight....when we are all pretty much saying the same thing.

Ray

No fight trying to be picked by me. I simply dont want my taxes going to rebuild these homes. I pay for my own insurance, been paying for 35 years. I should not be on the hook for other peoples homes. I have written such that no clarification should be needed on my opinion in this regard. Some others may have written in such a way that their opinion is not crystal clear to me. Different writing style I suppose.
Others have expressed different opinions than mine, it is interesting to read them all.

Have a nice day!!!!!!

Ok...so.....you don't want your taxes going to pay for this EITHER!

But all of our taxes will be spent on this. There is no other way it will all get covered.

Neither do I want to spend my $ on this and I have taxes in the game like anyone else. So what's with the comment that "I" have no skin in the game?

Yes....the people of California need to be saved one way or the other. It will need to be done. That does not mean I am for it or have to like it.

That was my point.

Ray

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:34 pm

raygreenwood wrote: zerotofifty wrote: raygreenwood wrote: zerotofifty wrote: Ask and you shall receive, copied verbatim....

"Ok...are you referring to ...."let the CALIFORNIA government help"...because you already pay enough taxes to them?

I/We...agree.

If however you are referring to the "Federal Givernment"....this is where the problem is"

Now perhaps you meant something else?

You also wrote...

"My point....to make it more clear....I do not have an issue with paying MY TAX DOLLARS to help any Americans"

I do have a problem with my tax dollars helping any Americans. That is not what taxes are for. Charity is where the help should come from, not from other peoples taxes.

At anyrate, your tax dollars are already spent, spending today will be paid by our grandkids, who have no say in the matter, and that is wrong.

Yes..."almost" verbatim...and it still seems to have gone over your head! :wink:

Let me spell it out.....

Allwagons said to YOU:

Quote: Don’t want to start an argument. But didn’t you read my second sentence? We are already paying a sh@triad of taxes! Why give more? And you are repeating what I said! No free housing! Or did I misinterpret you are agreeing with me?

And I said to him:

I think this is where the confusion is coming from:

(meaning from what Allwagons said)

Quote:
Let the government help those folks , We already pay tons of taxes in California, We SHOULD have enough!

Then I saidfurther to him:

Ok...are you referring to ...."let the CALIFORNIA government help"...because you already pay enough taxes to them? I/We...agree.

Let me explain what I meant by that.....which should be obvious

It means...hell yes...the poor people of California HAVE ALREADY paid enough taxes that this should not be an issue covering it by themselves.
However as anyone can see....due to the poorly planned debacle (no fire mitigation, no water, not enough fire trucks, cut budgets etc. etc. etc.)...its 100% clear that California will never be able to cover the costs of this debacle.
They SHOULD have been able to.... because it should have never been allowed to have gotten to this scale. Pure incompetence.

I went on to further say:

Quote: If however you are referring to the "Federal Givernment"....this is where the problem is. The Federal government has "0" money to give to California. Fact by the way

The federal governments money is MY money...other people outside of California money...and yes...some of your money. also a fact

This is why many of us...even though we greatly sympathize and know that everyone needs help.....are mad as hell watching this debacle that could have been...if not actually been prevented....could have been GREATLY reduced in severity and scale....with some judicious spending of the money the poor California people already paid, some better planning...and some more competent state employees.

Question: Where in there did i say I did not want to help.....or did not want my tax dollars to help....and other than being pissed off about the waste....this is not anything near the same saying I did not want to help with my tax dollars.

I went on to say:

Quote: This is just outside observation....but there is no way California can afford to pay even the bare minimum required to make these people....if not "whole"....at least afford them a useful residence (and I am not speaking of the rich people). That money will have to come from somewhere. FACT

I am betting this will nearly break the "FAIR" program. Next in line are the rest of the taxpayers money in the US....
and that last one is THE big FACT...and while it pisses me off because....the state of California Should both: A. have plenty of money and B. should never have let the risk factors get to this scale....and still...nowhere I did not say I did NOT want my tax dollars to help them

I was pretty clear in what I wrote...and yet you seem to be running around looking to pick a fight....when we are all pretty much saying the same thing.

Ray

No fight trying to be picked by me. I simply dont want my taxes going to rebuild these homes. I pay for my own insurance, been paying for 35 years. I should not be on the hook for other peoples homes. I have written such that no clarification should be needed on my opinion in this regard. Some others may have written in such a way that their opinion is not crystal clear to me. Different writing style I suppose.
Others have expressed different opinions than mine, it is interesting to read them all.

Have a nice day!!!!!!

Ok...so.....you don't want your taxes going to pay for this EITHER!

But all of our taxes will be spent on this. There is no other way it will all get covered.

Neither do I want to spend my $ on this and I have taxes in the game like anyone else. So what's with the comment that "I" have no skin in the game?

Yes....the people of California need to be saved one way or the other. It will need to be done. That does not mean I am for it or have to like it.

That was my point.

Ray

The no skin in the game comment was result of the appearance that you thought that California taxes should lay for rebuilding homes, and you dont pay california taxes.

No tax money should be spent rebuilding these homes, none, zero, zilch. If the owner cant rebuild, then leave it vacant or sell the land. It is not the taxpayers responsibility to pay for private home rebuilds. If however that is now the way things are going to be, then all home insurance policies should end, and all homes be covered by the taxpayers, call it obamacare for home insurance.
I thi k that is a bad idea.

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:42 pm

KTPhil wrote: Insurance isn't the whole answer when fat cat insurance companies are cancelling or tripling premiums... premiums paid for decades but now when its time for a claim, there is no money?

Edison and other power companies have neglected maintenance of brush and tree clearance around facilities for many years. But now they cry that they need MORE money to do what they should have been doing all along?

Folks should write down these words in posts above, and recite them at the next hurricane, flood, tornado, levee break, bridge failure, oil spill, nor'easter, etc. Other states have received more in disaster aid than California, who pays far more than DC sends back. Curiously selective to pick NOW to add conditions to disaster aid. I've never seen such partisan hate and other "un-Christian" attitudes than lately. I wonder why that is? :roll:

It truly is hateful to take from some to give to others. That is un Christian, un ethical.
Taking tax from other people or companies to give to rebuild these homes is indeed hate.

By the way, California does not pay federal taxes, the people and companies do, nut not the state. And a .ot of that tax is based on big companies that are located in California, companies that generate much of their taxable revenue outside of California, companies that do much of their manufacturing outside of California. These companies simp.y have their headquarters here in California. If not for sales to people in the 49 other states, they would have very little taxable income. That tax that the companies do lay is in fact generated by people outside of California in many cases.

There are taxpayers who dont own a home, should they be taxed to rebuild these burnt homes? There are taxpayers struggling to get by, should they be taxed to build a beach house in California? Should we place our not yet born grand kids in even more debt, tax debt to build these homes? Is that not taxation without representation? How will the grand kids be able to afford their own home when under such tax debt? Talk about un Christian!!! Put the grandkids into tax debt slavery in the name of government charity. The government needs to not rebuild these burnt homes

Tue Jan 21, 2025 7:12 pm

ALLWAGONS wrote: What about the BBBBILLIONS we as tax payers have given to Israel and Ukraine!

These people you are debating to have the government help are AMERICANS!

You guys don’t have a problem with that?

It is NOT government help, it is money taken from taxpayers, and given the huge debt yet to be born taxpayers.

Why these California homes to receive our grandkids taxes, why not every home that is lost to fire then? We can all then cancel our fire insurance, and put the cost on the yet to be born taxpayers, live like their is no,tomorrow, send the bill to the next generation. why should the Palisades homes be rebuilt on the grandkids expense if other American homes lost to fire are not? Heck, nationalize it all, and make the grandkids pay, right?

this is a very slippery slope

Tue Jan 21, 2025 8:56 pm

Destroyed areas that are under ( or non) insured may be declared "blighted" and thus become eligible for " re-imagined" ( not my term) municipal structures like 15 minute cities. These are not car based plans that are easier to defend and manage. Clearly the status quo won't be rebuilt. Insurance risk and assessment is a complicated metric that is expressed differently depending on regulation. I would guess everyone will pay more either directly or via some obtuse instrument. Just wait till AI makes these calls ( Sam Altman just declared a major breakthrough eliminating "hallucinations").

I really do feel for those that have lost. I've done volunteer fire clean up, its super sad.

Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:38 pm

I was at a council meeting for an adjacent city to the fires. the council people stated that people who are receiving fund from go fme , might be denied as FEMA cannot duplicate benefits. I am speaking about the middle class people in Altadena, I don’t know any rich folk in the Palisades. I stated earlier, I am not donating one penny, I already pay an higher tax bracket than Bill Mahler.