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doc hopper
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 Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 5:36 am Post subject: 67 Bus Master Cylinder Reservoirs Available |
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| Got an e-mail ad from Wolfsburg West this morning. They are offering 1967 "German Manufacture" bus master cylinder reservoirs for $42. Who's gonna be first to try one out and report back? |
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BarryL 
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 8:03 am Post subject: |
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| If they are ATE then there are none finer. |
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campingbox
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| Do they have seals now too? |
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EDragnDean
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dstefun
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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| campingbox wrote: |
| Do they have seals now too? |
If you mean the mounting seals for the '67 reservoir, they've had those for a long time. VW # 211-611-817A -- $2/ea @ WW, $1.50/ea from splitpile. Maybe even still available from a VW dealer since they were evidently used up to 1988 on Sciroccos.
http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=211611817A
If you mean the '67 master cylinder rebuild kits, MOFOCO currently has 2 auctions running for NOS ATE -201C kits, $23/buy-it-now + $6 shipping. As of yesterday they still had 31 kits available. I know BarryL got a couple of kits from them. |
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BarryL
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 7:49 am Post subject: |
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| Going by the picture in that link I don't believe those seals are ATE. The ATE ones are ultra crisp and have numbers on the outside edge, not that it matters. Today I'm going to try and get them from my local VW dealer so I'll let you know if anybody wants. |
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splitpile
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| BarryL wrote: |
| Going by the picture in that link I don't believe those seals are ATE. The ATE ones are ultra crisp and have numbers on the outside edge, not that it matters. Today I'm going to try and get them from my local VW dealer so I'll let you know if anybody wants. |
Even EMPI sells the seals (genuine VW de Brazil). EMPI actually has a large selection of OEM parts
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BarryL
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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VW said the seals are obsolete. I'm looking for the ATE ones not VW of Brazil.
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Karl
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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Go to your local Mercedes dealer. The same seal is used on lots of MB's including the 450SL etc.
MB part number 000 295 00 50. Made by ATE. |
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BarryL
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| Karl wrote: |
Go to your local Mercedes dealer. The same seal is used on lots of MB's including the 450SL etc.
MB part number 000 295 00 50. Made by ATE. |
Thank you Karl. You were totally right. Mercedes had these, they are real NOS, and still safe to use. The numbers are on the bottom instead of the current ones on the side. Interestingly, Mercedes said that "there's never 'ATE' or numbers on the seals".
Sheesh, and thanks for the lead. |
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dstefun
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| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 9:37 am Post subject: |
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| Karl wrote: |
Go to your local Mercedes dealer. The same seal is used on lots of MB's including the 450SL etc.
MB part number 000 295 00 50. Made by ATE. |
Some more numbers to add to the database ....
ATE customer service just sent me the official ATE part numbers for the reservoir mounting seal and the '69-'74 Volvo reservoir that will fit a 67 bus master cylinder. This might be the reservoir that WW is selling, don't know for sure.
ATE evidently has a shortened part number system now so they gave me both the long and short versions of the part numbers:
VW # 211-611-817A seal -- ATE long # 03.3304-1000.1 -- ATE short # 390083
Volvo # 678091 reservoir -- ATE long # 03.3508-4102.3 -- ATE short # 310031
Most larger auto supplies are able to order the ATE numbers from their distributors. I wouldn't expect Kragen or Autozone to do it. |
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Karl
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I have been using the Volvo reservoirs for years. I like them much better than the goofy shape of the Rabbit one.
Says VOLVO on the side of it. I stopped grabbing them at the wrecking yards...... no one wanted them. I may have 1 or 2 left..... |
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big bus mike
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| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| What year / model of volvo did the one on the bottom come from? |
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dstefun
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| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| What year / model of volvo did the one on the bottom come from? |
The lower one looks like a 1969-74 Volvo 140 series reservoir - it changed in 1975 to larger nipples and the later ones won't work with the 67 bus master cyl.
Volvo # 678091 reservoir -- ATE long # 03.3508-4102.3 -- ATE short # 310031 |
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66 Shorty
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Just wanted to know if it was possible to up-grade a '66 Bus with a '67 dual circuit Master Cyl.? I think I read it somewhere, but, I can't seem to find it!
Also, I'm going to be overhauling my Entire front Brake system... Where's the Best/cheapest place to buy all the parts? Is it OK to go with teh Brazillian parts, or just spring the Extra for German? The Brazillian parts are less than half teh cost of German though, So, it will cost a WAY LOT MORE!!!
Thanks in advance guys! |
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DownRiver
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Shorty, if you search you will find many detailed answers to your questions.
Brief Summary of options:
A 67 dcmc is expensive. But available. ($225 MC, $30 resorvoir or find a used one.)
A 70+ Bus DCMC can be used, but there are additional requirements, like a $50 adaptor, a $80(?) MC, and other things.
Regarding the rubber lines, most would tell you about the importance of good brakes. And how spending an extra $40 on good German lines, is better than your bus being in a bodyshop.
I am going with the 67 DCMC and German soft lines for my 67 DC. I ordered mine this week from Splitpile (Bustoration.com) because Wolfsburg West was out of DCMC's.
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dstefun
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| 66 Shorty wrote: |
| Just wanted to know if it was possible to up-grade a '66 Bus with a '67 dual circuit Master Cyl.? I think I read it somewhere, but, I can't seem to find it! |
No reason you can't upgrade to the 67 tandem master, all of the parts are now available again, although spendy. A 70's bay master conversion is just a lot cheaper and more readily available at places like Kragen and Autozone.
http://www.type2.com/library/brakes/dualmas.htm
http://www.aircooledtech.com/dual_MC_upgrade/
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Also, I'm going to be overhauling my Entire front Brake system... Where's the Best/cheapest place to buy all the parts? Is it OK to go with teh Brazillian parts, or just spring the Extra for German? The Brazillian parts are less than half teh cost of German though, So, it will cost a WAY LOT MORE!!! |
Lots of threads on German vs Varga - it's a toss up. If you're strapped for cash, use the Varga parts but hone the cylinders before installation - the biggest problem is usually the machining. Some people have had zero problems with Varga, others not so lucky, but even ATE & FAG brake parts can have problems. Varga can't be all bad, there's a heck of a lot of busses running around with them.
That said, what kind of brakes do you want to trust your family to? Some people are paranoid about using German only. If you're going to worry about it every time you get in the bus, pay the price, go with German parts, and be happy.
I ALWAYS check the inside bore of whatever cylinders I am using, and if in doubt, hone them. For that matter, your original parts can probably be honed unless they are total rusted junk, rebuild kits are still available.
Just don't scimp on brakes and be sure of what you are installing, and how to install it. If you haven't done brakes before, ask for local help from someone who knows what they are doing. It's not rocket science but some common sense is needed, and it's the biggest safety system you have. |
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66 Shorty
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Thanks guys! 
I am strapped for $$ (just like everyone else right now...) But, I don't think I'll be putting my Family in Jepardy with a Faulty braking system! I'll just save up the extra coin & go with German for the MC & WC's. It just sucks when the Brazilian parts are less then half the cost of German! I'll look into re-building the original ones first though... & No I haven't done VW Brakes ever before, but, I have done many other types of brakes. |
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dstefun
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| I'll look into re-building the original ones first though... & No I haven't done VW Brakes ever before, but, I have done many other types of brakes. |
If you've done other drum type brakes, you won't have any trouble with VW.  It's a pretty simple system. But be sure to turn the drums and arc the shoes. Usually the machine shop/brake shop that turns drums can also arc the shoes. Arcing is a shoe grinding procedure that fits the shoes to the drums to give you full surface contact right away. If you're rebuilding your original cylinders, don't hone them too big or they will leak. If you have to go too far to get rid of the rust and corrosion, just replace them. I recommend flex hones rather than stone type brake cylinder hones but they can be spendy if you don't already have them or aren't able to borrow them from somebody else. |
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66 Shorty
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I haven't even started pulling the Drums off yet. So, I'm not even sure what shape all the parts are in. But, it has been sitting for @ 20 years or so... So, I'm figuring it needs a complete overhaul on the Braking system. As for arching the shoes... I don't know of anyone around here that does it. I work in a machine shop, but, I don't have any kind of fixture to do it. Turning the drums shouldn't be a big deal to do, although, I'd probably leave that to the "experts". Who knows, I might not even have to replace the Wheel Cyl.'s I do however want to up-grade to a dual Circuit MC though. It just seems like the right thing to do!
Thanks for all of the replies, you have all been helpfull! I should be getting started on th Bus soon enough! |
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