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atrujillo1991
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 Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:55 am Post subject: Lowered on 165 15's all around. How much is too much? |
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Oh so the front of my '72 Square has already been taken down 2 inner and it's time to go down a bit further. I'd like to lower the car (same amount front and back if possible) a bit more (~ 2-3 inches) but I'm a bit woprried about actually being able to turn the car 
ANyone have any experience being any lower than 2 inner up front with stock 165/80/15's?
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atrujillo1991
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And, out of curiosity, what's the deal with trim rings? I'd like to add a chrome lip of sorts to the wheels but only to the lip of the wheel.
Like this:
(found here: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=433533)
Not like this:
(found here: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=622372)
Are trim rings (say, for a set of 15 inch wheels) universal? Could I get lucky and snag a set from another car at the junkyard?
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If you go any lower you might wanna consider maybe a 135 in the front. Im dwn 3 outter front-2 outter rear, with 135's up front and 205's rear and I can turn lock to lock and no rub in the rear.  |
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I would like to get those trim rings too. There are plenty of them around on the internet made from stainless steel. I have just been concerned if they will fit properly given that the type 3 rims have a smaller lip since we have a different offset to beetles. Are these trim rings going to fit our rims?
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| now what pissed me off is in the rear of my 66 i was two inner or a bit more and the tire rubed the top of the inner fender well. the tire were 165. |
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I would like to get those trim rings too. There are plenty of them around on the internet made from stainless steel. I have just been concerned if they will fit properly given that the type 3 rims have a smaller lip since we have a different offset to beetles. Are these trim rings going to fit our rims? |
Yeah, I've got some on my Square. They look similar enough to the trim rings on my '70 Bug, so I believe they are indeed universal. Really clean up the look of 4 lug wheels.
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like this?
you cant' really see in this pic, but the blue shows again at the outside of the wheel...
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Buttafuoco
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| now what pissed me off is in the rear of my 66 i was two inner or a bit more and the tire rubed the top of the inner fender well. the tire were 165. |
If i remember correctly, each inner spline gives you 9 degrees of adjustment as i think the outter gives only 8. Dont quote me on this though. I also wonder if there is a difference in wheel well clearances with early and late models. Anybody know the answer? |
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I'm running 135s and I rub, had to pound out the inner part of the fender a bit. Still rubs but not as bad. PO lowered an unknown number of notches.
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atrujillo1991
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Looks like I'm just gonna GO FOR IT. 
Thinkin' one outer in the front and maybe... 2 in the rear? Not really sure yet, though  Guess we'll see!
Suggestions on lowering shocks? I saw Empi's a while ago that were something like $34 each but I can't find 'em any more 
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Buttafuoco
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I'm running 135s and I rub, had to pound out the inner part of the fender a bit. Still rubs but not as bad. PO lowered an unknown number of notches.
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I think he lowered it 3 inner front and 3 inner rear. he said he didnt count the splines, he just measured. |
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Looks like I'm just gonna GO FOR IT.
Thinkin' one outer in the front and maybe... 2 in the rear? Not really sure yet, though Guess we'll see!
Suggestions on lowering shocks? I saw Empi's a while ago that were something like $34 each but I can't find 'em any more
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Two splines down (from stock) is about the limit you can run with 165's and a small amount of rubbing while turning. If you do decide to drop it some more, get some practice doing 3 point turns first, and wear ear plugs so you don't hear how loud the tires are rubbing the fenders. When my son had his down 4 splines and 165's on it, it would barely turn, and it liked to rub going straight on the freeway.  He's since gone to 195-50's, and it doesn't rub. He's also on oil link pin lowered shocks for that "smooth" ride. Those who attended the '08 Invasion can tell you how low the car is. I hope this helps.
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Thank you! GOod to hear the voice of experience. LIke I said- I'm two inner down now and I literally have zero rubbing. I'm considering returning the inners to their original position and taking the car three OUTER down instead. Then I'll drop the rear one. 
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| atrujillo1991 wrote: |
Looks like I'm just gonna GO FOR IT.
Thinkin' one outer in the front and maybe... 2 in the rear? Not really sure yet, though Guess we'll see!
Suggestions on lowering shocks? I saw Empi's a while ago that were something like $34 each but I can't find 'em any more
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Two splines down (from stock) is about the limit you can run with 165's and a small amount of rubbing while turning. If you do decide to drop it some more, get some practice doing 3 point turns first, and wear ear plugs so you don't hear how loud the tires are rubbing the fenders. When my son had his down 4 splines and 165's on it, it would barely turn, and it liked to rub going straight on the freeway. He's since gone to 195-50's, and it doesn't rub. He's also on oil link pin lowered shocks for that "smooth" ride. Those who attended the '08 Invasion can tell you how low the car is. I hope this helps. |
Bobnotch, I have my car down 2 inner splines at the front and want to get wider tyres (currently running 135 nankangs) - are you saying i could run 195- 50s up front with standard beam???
sorry just making sure before i go out and buy some and might regret it... i do find it hard to believe...  |
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atrujillo1991
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Up front (I'm two inner notches down), with a driver, passanger, and someone sitting on the front left fender, the car rubs (as is) at full lock on the fender.
My plan is to index the front to bring it down 1/3 of an inch more and put the rear down one outer. I'm starting to need struts, though
They're not the OG shocks but they look like they're from... 1995? lol Time for some fresh shocks. Anyone have any suggestions for lowering shocks?
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Bobnotch, I have my car down 2 inner splines at the front and want to get wider tyres (currently running 135 nankangs) - are you saying i could run 195- 50s up front with standard beam???
sorry just making sure before i go out and buy some and might regret it... i do find it hard to believe... |
Yeah, you can run those with the standard beam. My son is running those on his car, with polished 8 spokes. I'm running 195-60's on my 71 Notch, and I'm also down 2 splines in front. I'm also running 205 -65's in the rear, and it's down 1 1/2 splines in the rear. I used a combination of inner and outer splines to get that drop in the rear. They really fill the wheel wells up.
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awesome!
thanks Bobnotch
I will probably go 195/50 on the front and hopefully 195/65 or 70 (if i can get them) on the rear..
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do you have any pictures of the 195/50s on the car?
forgot to mention im running MWS Brms (ET+25) but i think they have around the same offset as the 8 spokes so should be alright hopefully
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i know this sounds funny, but often times a 195/50-15 will look wider than a 195/65, 195/70 and such. i would go 145/65-15 or 175/55-15 front if you want to go with the 195 rear.
with those wheels and offset, i bet you will only be able to get a 195/60-15 at best on the rear, def not the taller tires.if you had a swing car and do the short axle conversion, it would be no problem, but dropped on an irs, probably gonna rub.
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I'm running 195/55's rear and 50's front. I had to roll the rear a bit and the insides of the front fenders are nice and polished.
For the front, use these shocks...
"These shocks are Monroe part no. 5752. They are replacement shocks for a 1954 Volkswagen Transporter, according to my local auto parts store computer.
These shocks are 8.5" compressed and 12.7" at full length. These shocks do not come with the metal sleeves that are usually located within the shock bushing. You will need to press the metal sleeves out of your current shocks and then press them into the new shocks. Let me know if you have any questions."
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