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0nebadbug Samba Member

Joined: October 01, 2009 Posts: 1087 Location: Rockford, Illinois
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 8:53 am Post subject: DIY seat padding ...Any advice? |
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Has anyone here ever made their own seat padding?
what materials did you use
My though was slipping 4" padding inserts to go inside the springs of them and then using a harder foam, maybe noeprene? to let them be cushy but a little stiffer than an original seats pad.
I have been looking around usual places like WW, Sewfine Scat and so on.... Seems everyones "packages" are way out of my budget to buy in one shot. Hell just the hair padding is over $300 shipped alone.
I did ask a local upholsterer and sounds like he pretty much has about any of the materials I would want to use and acording to him for these things in the block sizes I gave him was less than $100. which is why I am asking if anyone did the padding themselves what worked and what didnt... Any insight would be appreciated |
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Bart Dunn Samba Consiglieri

Joined: May 09, 2004 Posts: 2354 Location: Sea level (Mid Atlantic)
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:54 am Post subject: |
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The hair padding is the way to go. It holds up better, provides a better and more firm seat for your arse, and so forth. The foamy products just don't do the same thing. That being said, sure, give it a whirl. Worst case scenario is you don't like it, but you can still drive the car and whatnot. It's not like you're trying to make a crankshaft out of brass. _________________ Not enough car seats fit into my:
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volksauto Samba Member

Joined: May 02, 2004 Posts: 115
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:40 pm Post subject: Seat Padding |
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| I used 4" foam from joann's fabric and I used vinyl to wrap the springs and then the foam and then the seat cover. My convertible I used the hair and in my oval I used the foam and it is like night and day the oval is more comfortable. |
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Video Bob Samba Member

Joined: November 03, 2005 Posts: 261 Location: Bishop, GA
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:52 am Post subject: |
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On my Thing I used hair padding. At the same time a friend used foam on his. the difference in fit was very noticeable but not bad. If all your are concerned about is comfort then go with the foam. _________________ Ya can't have too many Vdubs!
1956 Oval
1966 Beetle
1974 Thing
1974 Super Beetle
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TheRustySuper Samba Member

Joined: June 24, 2009 Posts: 2076 Location: New Albany, IN
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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My seats were in terrible shape, so of course the hair had to go along with the ruined covers. I got foam, never wanting to go back to the horsehair. The horsehair provided a firmer seat, and the foam is much more squishy. It all depends on what you want, really. _________________ My '72 Super |
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johnshenry Samba Member

Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9416 Location: Northwood, NH USA
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:21 am Post subject: |
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I redid the interior in my '50 last winter, there are a whole series of pics in the "Zarwerks Spy Cam" thread in the split forum.
I used the original horsehair padding, but topped it with some high density foam. I was pretty happy with the way it came out and how they feel. I wrapped the spring cages too, before putting the padding on.
IMO, thicker foam is harder to control and always ends up making the seats look like marshmallows, even if the pull down cords are used. I think Wolfsburg West sells repro hair seat pads. _________________ John Henry
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Ninamashr Samba Member

Joined: October 12, 2005 Posts: 1400 Location: City of Round Rock in the Great State of Texas
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:45 am Post subject: |
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So do the pads REALLY have actual horse hair? I did mine 2 years ago and I should have replaced the original pads, but did not. I did notice that the original pads did have real thin stiff black hair-like fibers woven into them and were a dark reddish tan color. I also remember the pads had a thin gray layer of felt-like wool as additional padding on the seating surface. _________________ 1957 Karmann Kabriolet "Franky"
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johnshenry Samba Member

Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9416 Location: Northwood, NH USA
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:52 am Post subject: |
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| So do the pads REALLY have actual horse hair? I did mine 2 years ago and I should have replaced the original pads, but did not. I did notice that the original pads did have real thin stiff black hair-like fibers woven into them and were a dark reddish tan color. I also remember the pads had a thin gray layer of felt-like wool as additional padding on the seating surface. |
No, its not real horsehair, its just a rubberized fiber. HH i s just a trade name for it.
And yes, original seats have a grey felt based jute padding over the pads. _________________ John Henry
'57 Deluxe
'56 Single Cab |
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Bart Dunn Samba Consiglieri

Joined: May 09, 2004 Posts: 2354 Location: Sea level (Mid Atlantic)
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:05 am Post subject: |
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| johnshenry wrote: |
| Ninamashr wrote: |
| So do the pads REALLY have actual horse hair? I did mine 2 years ago and I should have replaced the original pads, but did not. I did notice that the original pads did have real thin stiff black hair-like fibers woven into them and were a dark reddish tan color. I also remember the pads had a thin gray layer of felt-like wool as additional padding on the seating surface. |
No, its not real horsehair, its just a rubberized fiber. HH i s just a trade name for it.
And yes, original seats have a grey felt based jute padding over the pads. |
I've always wondered what it was made of, and came to the conclusion that it's coconut fiber after living in Hawaii. True or false? _________________ Not enough car seats fit into my:
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johnshenry Samba Member

Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9416 Location: Northwood, NH USA
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:08 am Post subject: |
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| Bart Dunn wrote: |
| johnshenry wrote: |
| Ninamashr wrote: |
| So do the pads REALLY have actual horse hair? I did mine 2 years ago and I should have replaced the original pads, but did not. I did notice that the original pads did have real thin stiff black hair-like fibers woven into them and were a dark reddish tan color. I also remember the pads had a thin gray layer of felt-like wool as additional padding on the seating surface. |
No, its not real horsehair, its just a rubberized fiber. HH i s just a trade name for it.
And yes, original seats have a grey felt based jute padding over the pads. |
I've always wondered what it was made of, and came to the conclusion that it's coconut fiber after living in Hawaii. True or false? |
Might very well be based on how the original stuff breaks down over time, and its color. There is some history pages on the stuff, I googled some upholstery materials sites a while back. Today they make it with a polyfiber.
One myth was that is was actual horsehair and that was why VWs always had "that smell".... _________________ John Henry
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D. Haviland Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 536 Location: Burlington, Vermont
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Do all VWs have that smell? My 63 and my 57 have vinyl seats and have the smell. My zwitter has wool seats and the original seat pads but doesn't seam to have the smell. So I'm thinking it's more of a vinyl and battery acid combo. But then again maybe I'm so used to it that I don't even notice it anymore. |
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OvalWindowBucket Samba Member

Joined: April 23, 2003 Posts: 694 Location: Reviving my Microbus
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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| The WW "horse hair" seat pads are indeed coconut fiber. |
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0nebadbug Samba Member

Joined: October 01, 2009 Posts: 1087 Location: Rockford, Illinois
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Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:21 am Post subject: |
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Also who sells tweed seat cover reasonably priced?
I seriously hate the original vinyl...
where was I... oh yeah...
I am knid of hoping to make the seats a stiffer than the originals...
Not so OEM style cushy and bouncy....
Kinda curious about what others have done on (or in) the seat backs...
Has anyone ever actually tucked the foam into the springs airspace? or just direcly on top... or both? |
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cvallone Samba Member

Joined: May 13, 2007 Posts: 875 Location: Congers New York
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Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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To save money and actually cut your price in half as opposed to going with TMI or something..... I go to Walmart. Go to their crafty section with linens and such and they sell rolls of foam, even square seat sections that fit perfect for the bottom rest and backrest. to do your whole car it should cost about 80.00-90.00 in foam from there.
Chris _________________ My restos www.classicvwbugs.com
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Kombat Samba Member

Joined: January 02, 2010 Posts: 11 Location: Holland
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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The company that was the main Volkswagen supplier of the 'horsehair' seat padding is Enkev. It is still producing the same stuff.
People called is horsehair because in the earlier (expensive) cars they used padding made of real horsehair. Later on with cars being mass-produced real horsehair was replaced by other fibers. Mainly coconut and banana leave fibers.
The company is based in Volendam, the Netherlands but operates internationally.
Check their website if interested: http://www.enkev.com/en/index.html _________________ 1966 Pearlwhite 1300
1966 Lotuswhite 1500 |
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3foldfolly Samba Member

Joined: March 08, 2009 Posts: 894 Location: Edwardsville, Il
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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The company that was the main Volkswagen supplier of the 'horsehair' seat padding is Enkev. It is still producing the same stuff.
People called is horsehair because in the earlier (expensive) cars they used padding made of real horsehair. Later on with cars being mass-produced real horsehair was replaced by other fibers. Mainly coconut and banana leave fibers.
The company is based in Volendam, the Netherlands but operates internationally.
Check their website if interested: http://www.enkev.com/en/index.html |
Any body got a line and where you can get that grey felt jute padding? Or something close? |
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cvallone Samba Member

Joined: May 13, 2007 Posts: 875 Location: Congers New York
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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The company that was the main Volkswagen supplier of the 'horsehair' seat padding is Enkev. It is still producing the same stuff.
People called is horsehair because in the earlier (expensive) cars they used padding made of real horsehair. Later on with cars being mass-produced real horsehair was replaced by other fibers. Mainly coconut and banana leave fibers.
The company is based in Volendam, the Netherlands but operates internationally.
Check their website if interested: http://www.enkev.com/en/index.html |
Any body got a line and where you can get that grey felt jute padding? Or something close? |
WW or www.cip1.com sell the jute padding, but it is for the rear luggage area.
cv _________________ My restos www.classicvwbugs.com
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3foldfolly Samba Member

Joined: March 08, 2009 Posts: 894 Location: Edwardsville, Il
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I went to both those sites and could not find luggage area padding. where does WW list it? |
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cvallone Samba Member

Joined: May 13, 2007 Posts: 875 Location: Congers New York
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3foldfolly Samba Member

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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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So you can use that? Do you just leave the tar paper lining in the middle of it? The original padding on top of the horse hair lining iin my car doesn't look to be a half inch thick but it may be compressed from the last 56 years although I stored the car for 32 of those years and maybe sat onthe seats twice year until mechanically restoring it last year. |
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