Is this statement correct..........?? (transmission)

[bttrahan]

When putting a LATE tranny into an EARLY Beetle, use a bus nosecone/hockey stick??

What to change when putting an EARLY tranny into a LATE Beetle?? This seems to be my dilemma.

[Marv [UK]]

[bttrahan]

Marv, it's already done. I "apparently" have a '58 tranny in my '61 Beetle. I'm having nosecone "issues" right now.

[Marv [UK]]

hmmm, I'm in the process of doing it the other way around, but IIRC, an early 60's nosecone will fit an early box to convert it to the later mounting position but don't quote me on that. I'm sure adaptor mounts are available as this is something I looked at, but it was several years ago now and consigned to the dustbin so I didn't retain any of the info.

Not much help sorry, but it is doable.

[volken65]

[bttrahan]

YES YES YES Volken65!!

[volken65]

well in that case, "putting on a bus nose cone and hockey stick" is a correct statement. That's one option when trying to put a later trans on early pan.

In your case they must have just used a later nosecone and hockey stick on a splitcase trans. Unless they welded in a early trans mount on that pan.

[bttrahan]

I continue to be stomped

[jspbtown]

maybe pics of the mount, the tranny, and the nosecone would help.

Or just pic up a used swingaxle tranny....

[AlteWagen]

No one WANTS an early trans in a late pan because they are weak! VW upgraded the design for a reason. Because of this there is NO adapter or nosecone that will make it fit. You will have to get a 61-68 trans, put the bus nose cone and stick on for it to work. If you want to hack out the stock mount, fabricate a new mount weld it all in, a month later when you break the split case from a bump start, cut out the new mount weld in the "new" 61 up mount and upgrade the trans.

Another reason not to run the split case is the smaller early brakes, drums and wheel cylinders.
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[Snort]

I only have part of the answer for you, but maybe at least this will help in case you haven't figured it out yet. Only split case nosecones fit the split case transaxles. There are two different styles for the Bug, 55? - 59 style and 1960 style. However, in order to put a 1960 style on an earlier transaxle, you must change out the selector shafts and use the matching shift rod. Same applies for putting an early nosecone on a 1960 transaxle, it must have the matching selector shafts and shift rod.

I don't know if the split case Bus nosecones are any different, but I doubt it. No later nosecone (61 and up) will fit the split case because it has a totally different bolt pattern to fit the transaxle, and they moved the selector shafts from the left side in the split cases, to the right side in the tunnel cases. The story on the Bus nosecones is limited to putting a tunnel case transaxle into an early chassis, because the Bus kept the same chassis mount when they went from split case to tunnel case transaxles, whereas the Bug was modified. So, if you had a Bus, then it stands to reason that you could put a split case transaxle in it without changing the nosecone at all.

One solution is to get a standard split case nosecone to fit the transaxle, then cut your chassis mount off and re-weld it into the proper position. This is what a lot of the 1960 people do when changing from split case to tunnel case. I believe the part number for the early split case nosecone is 113.301.211 and the 1960 part number is 113.301.211A.

[bttrahan]

Ok Snort, this sort of clarifies things for me. The PO didn't weld, but somehow, bolted a piece of metal to the chassis in an attempt to "customize" a mount. I was able to shift, but shifting just didn't feel smooth AT ALL so I knew something was wrong but since it went into all gears, I just left it the way it was till the nosecone broke. After inspecting the broken nosecone, I was able to see "why" things just didn't line up. The PO pretty much sloppily made a mount and I "think" that's why things didn't line up correctly. Now, is your setup still functioning well, or are you experiencing problems too??

[jspbtown]

[Snort]

The problem I was having was different. I was trying to put a 113.301.211 onto a 1960 split case transaxle. I thought the problem was the wrong shift rod, but I found out that the selector shafts needed to be changed as well. So I now have a 1960 split case in my 1957 chassis, with the 113.301.211 nosecone, matching shift rod and selector shafts.

Mine now works perfectly, as the rest of the 1960 transaxle is essentially the same as the few years before it. If you're new to VW's you might not know yet that first gear has no syncro, and it uses straight cut gears. Stop before shifting into first, and you can hear the gears run until you shift into second. As long as the shift rod lines up straight with the shift coupler inside the car, you're good to go. If you're still having shifting problems, look to your clutch or accept the fact that the transaxle may have worn syncros among other things inside.

[AlteWagen]

[jspbtown]