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tripod808 Samba Member
Joined: March 06, 2010 Posts: 65 Location: Hilo
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 8:30 pm Post subject: Re: van is burnt |
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busheypapa wrote: |
Long time reader first time posting. Well here goes I got an 85 westy. I have rebuilt her she was mechanicaly sound. Took her up and down the east coast last summer, was planning to do the same this summer. The problem is fuel line gave out and she burned pretty good. Insurance company coming Monday to total her. everything in engine compartment is toast. Should I let insurance comp total her or should I try to fix her. Of course the fire department broke two windows. It really did not damage cabinets or fridge or stove, just everything plastic or rubber in the engine compartment. Any advice would be appreciated. thanks
P.S. change your fuel lines |
Ouch, you learned the hard way huh?
At least your safe, right?
Waiting for my Van Cafe fuel lines..... |
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r39o Samba Polizei
Joined: May 18, 2005 Posts: 9800 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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Russ Wolfe wrote: |
Do not use the braided original style line. Even the Conti stuff coming from Germany is only lasting about 6 months.
Get some good Gates or Goodyear hose, that you can buy at your local parts store.
I retired from the OEM fuel system industry about 2 years ago, and all the hose we used, we tested to destruction. The Goodyear and Gates hose will exceed 250 psi before it bursts. |
Some part numbers to look for would help us all.
I did mine 5 years ago on my Westy and need to do it on another one now too before I drive it much.
So if some German stuff is failing, then it is time for both.
TIA,
Walt... _________________ "Use the SEARCH, Luke" But first visit the Vanagon FAQ!
1990 Multivan EJ 22, Rancho trans 0.82 4th, Small Car front AC, CLKs w/ 215/65-16, homemade big brakes 303mm, Konis, Recaros, etc....
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ProvoCyclist Samba Member
Joined: December 07, 2004 Posts: 594 Location: Murray, Utah
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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I replaced all my lines with stuff from BMW, 8mm line. i dont remember the price though
O.P. you have a private message. _________________ Clark
Current: 1986 Tintop GL 2wd, stock 2.1L, manual trans, Flash Silver LP7Y.
Past: 1985 Sunroof GL, 2wd, Subaru 3.3L, manual trans, resprayed to Diamond Silver L97A |
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presslab Samba Member
Joined: September 29, 2008 Posts: 1730 Location: Sonoma County
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry to hear about your van. If it were mine I'd keep it and swap to a Subaru engine.
I bought 5/16" hose from Kragen, it was good quality Goodyear fuel injection hose with a liner. This is the stuff:
http://www.goodyearep.com/ProductsDetail.aspx?id=5144
I noticed the cloth covered stuff just masks when it cracks. The cloth stuff I bought didn't even last a few years; I don't remember who made it. _________________ 1986 Vanagon Westfalia EJ25
1988 Subaru GL-10 EJ20G --- 2000 Honda XR650L
2010 Titus El Guapo --- 2011 On-One 456 Ti |
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ftp2leta Samba Member
Joined: October 11, 2004 Posts: 3271 Location: Montreal
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The Salt Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2010 Posts: 221 Location: Salt Lake
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 4:41 am Post subject: |
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Ouch that sucks. I am off to change my fuel lines! _________________ 88 Wolfsburg Edition Weekender |
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ftp2leta Samba Member
Joined: October 11, 2004 Posts: 3271 Location: Montreal
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populuxe59 Samba Member
Joined: February 27, 2007 Posts: 87 Location: Green Bay
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 5:46 am Post subject: |
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Tripod88 and the Salt, maybe you didn't read start of thread. The owner DID change his fuel lines and they were almost new.
The "change your fuel lines!" , warning may have caused this fire. |
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woggs1 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2007 Posts: 531 Location: South Pacifica California
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 8:07 am Post subject: |
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_________________ 4 speed 88 Westy |
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busheypapa Samba Member
Joined: May 29, 2009 Posts: 10 Location: south florida
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 8:48 am Post subject: update |
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After a good nite of drinking and alittle sleep. I went out this morning and started cleaning up the old girl. I figure I'll clean her up and try to pursuade the insurance adjuster not to total her. I will start repairing her as soon as I can start getting parts. Pretty much need anything that was in the engine compartment. She was an 85 fuel injected. Thanks for all the replies, will update again after Monday. Everyone who has done a upgrade to a subi or other. Please keep the offers of old parts for the 1.9 coming in. Ill be in touch |
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levi Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2005 Posts: 5522 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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populuxe59 wrote: |
Tripod88 and the Salt, maybe you didn't read start of thread. The owner DID change his fuel lines and they were almost new.
The "change your fuel lines!" , warning may have caused this fire. |
Well, no, he doesn't say that at all. He said that he was in the process of getting new lines from a vendor, and that the fuel lines "weren't that old", but that he had a problem with a fuel line at the injectors.
Around the injectors is probably the worst place to have leaking, with the exhaust right below.
While I'm not one of those who like to tell folks to change their lines, the warning might have saved this one. Sure didn't cause it, that's a little bizarre. _________________ One of these days I'm gonna settle down,
but till I do I won't be hangin round.
Going down that long lonesome highway,
gonna see life my way
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mamayogibear Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2010 Posts: 35
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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populuxe59 wrote: |
Tripod88 and the Salt, maybe you didn't read start of thread. The owner DID change his fuel lines and they were almost new.
The "change your fuel lines!" , warning may have caused this fire. |
Whoa, now I'm starting to get scared here. I am a total newbie when it comes to working on cars of any kind. I was planning on changing the fuel lines on whatever van I buy in the next few weeks. Now Im questioning weither or not I should do it on my own. I wonder if a shop would be willing to inspect them after I do the job without charging too much.... |
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dobryan Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2006 Posts: 16516 Location: Brookeville, MD
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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mamayogibear wrote: |
populuxe59 wrote: |
Tripod88 and the Salt, maybe you didn't read start of thread. The owner DID change his fuel lines and they were almost new.
The "change your fuel lines!" , warning may have caused this fire. |
Whoa, now I'm starting to get scared here. I am a total newbie when it comes to working on cars of any kind. I was planning on changing the fuel lines on whatever van I buy in the next few weeks. Now Im questioning weither or not I should do it on my own. I wonder if a shop would be willing to inspect them after I do the job without charging too much.... |
It would not be a bad idea to have a shop check your work if you are not sure. It would be cheap $30 insurance. The peace of mind is worth it as well. _________________ Dave O
'87 Westy w/ 2002 Subaru EJ25 and Peloquin TBD
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DAIZEE Samba Member
Joined: January 26, 2010 Posts: 7552 Location: Greater Toronto Area Ontario West Side
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 5:35 am Post subject: |
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Wouldn't a lot depend on the quality of the lines used. Are there guidelines, minimum standards, hell I'd go for the TOP quality.
I feel so sick when I see and read this. both for the OP and me to some degree. But for luck this would have been me just south of Louisville last November.
What kind of ingredient is used to put these fires out? or does it simply burn until the fuel is gone? What could/should one do initially? _________________ '09 2.5L Jetta 5 cylinder, 5 spd, super turbo, see thread in H2O Cooled Jetta, etc...
83.5 Vanagon L Riviera Model with 98 1.9L TD AAZ 4 speed Daily Driver 3 out of 4 seasons (sold)
84 Vanagon GL Wolfsburg Westy WBX 4 speed (sold) |
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randywebb Samba Member
Joined: February 15, 2005 Posts: 3815 Location: Greater Metropolitan Nimrod, Orygun
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 11:57 am Post subject: |
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tencent has posted re the hose materials - appears that Goodyears latest fluoroelastomer hose is best - a thread was active in the last 2 days on that
VanCafe sells BMW hose in their kit & it is likely good enuff
clamps need to be a type that does not cut into the hose - the typical FLAPS or hardware store ones will do that, so avoid
a Halon fire extinguisher is best - carry it where you can grab it immediately and race for the rear & practice!
- need to check extinguisher periodically also _________________ 1986 2.1L Westy 2wd Auto Trans. |
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DAIZEE Samba Member
Joined: January 26, 2010 Posts: 7552 Location: Greater Toronto Area Ontario West Side
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks _________________ '09 2.5L Jetta 5 cylinder, 5 spd, super turbo, see thread in H2O Cooled Jetta, etc...
83.5 Vanagon L Riviera Model with 98 1.9L TD AAZ 4 speed Daily Driver 3 out of 4 seasons (sold)
84 Vanagon GL Wolfsburg Westy WBX 4 speed (sold) |
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ib-bus Samba Member
Joined: September 26, 2007 Posts: 264 Location: Temecula , CA
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Sorry to highjack this thread but I am in a similar situation , I bought this '89 Westy and I am about to buy a donor '89 passenger Vanagon to swap the engine , engine lid , hatch door and any other small parts needed.
Hope it all goes well , what do you guys think ? when I saw it I tought it had to be saved and bought it.
I'll take a picture of the engine compartment , but pretty much eveything is melted , no damage above engine lid except for the very rear cushion and a bit on the seat back of the rear seat. I'm just glad the fire department did not went nuts breaking windows.
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stevey88 Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2008 Posts: 1317 Location: Fremont, SF Bay Area
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:26 am Post subject: |
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I think it is not that difficult to fix as the interior, at least from the seat back forward is not damaged. Was the rear cabinet damaged ? If so, the air condition hoses and stuff in side the rear cabinet are gone too.
Wish I have the opportunity to get a Westy like this to fix up. It will be fun. How much did you pay for it, if you don't mind me asking ?
Wonder if the fire is the result of the rear ended or the hatch has always been like that. _________________ Steve
87 Westfalia full camper 4 speed |
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ib-bus Samba Member
Joined: September 26, 2007 Posts: 264 Location: Temecula , CA
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:41 am Post subject: |
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stevey88 wrote: |
I think it is not that difficult to fix as the interior, at least from the seat back forward is not damaged. Was the rear cabinet damaged ? If so, the air condition hoses and stuff in side the rear cabinet are gone too.
Wish I have the opportunity to get a Westy like this to fix up. It will be fun. How much did you pay for it, if you don't mind me asking ?
Wonder if the fire is the result of the rear ended or the hatch has always been like that. |
The rear cabinet was not damaged , inside I found extra curtains and mosquito net in good shape but I will check those hoses , the rear door was damaged I think by the fire department as they broke the lock to get in , but the fire could have happened as a result of a rear end collision like you say. I am looking forward to fixing it up , I have restored 5 baywindow buses but this is my first Vanagon and the family loves it already.
I bought it for $2600 plus some fees and transportation from Los Angeles.
Now be nice people and don't say it was too much , I know the I could get one of those for $500 dudes are coming
Anybody knows someone in South Bay San Diego that is willing to do an engine swap ? |
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stevey88 Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2008 Posts: 1317 Location: Fremont, SF Bay Area
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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The rear cabinet is not damaged and that is good. But the hoses need to be changed any way as the ends in the engine compartment most likely are.
There are people in the forum think one can get a good Westy for not over 7K but I have looked for one for nearly a year and can not find one at that price range ( 87 up as I want the newer AC vent that is closer to the front. I end up getting one that lived near the California coast ( so there are some rust ) with high mileage. The mileage does not bother me as I can change everything that wears out. The rust is not that much trouble as I have a MIG welder with C25 gas. If yours is a CA Westy, it is worth over 10K if it is running. I think it will cost less than 2k to fix yours if there are no fire damage to the paint beside the rear hatch. _________________ Steve
87 Westfalia full camper 4 speed |
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