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Amskeptic
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Got it.
Thanks Colin! How was the visit to the publisher? |
The visit to the publisher? Oh that. Yeah, um, I got totally impatient and blew out of there. As paraphrased in the thread that appears to have been deleted from the Rants BECAUSE IT WAS TOO ROUGH FOR THOSE DELICATE PANSIES, I would rather hit the wall than inch forward in the fog 
Do not doubt that I am sorely disappointed with my irritability in the face of dissembling, but such it is. I am submitting to other publishers and looking at self-publication possibilities via the internet. If Michael Bentley should rediscover his initial enthusiasm, they were indeed my first choice.
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NASkeet
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| Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 6:22 am Post subject: 1968~79 VW Type 2, intra-duct, ventilation booster fans |
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Slaw's pictures, of his 1968~79 VW Type 2, intra-duct, ventilation booster fans, indicate that these are of the early-model type, with galvanised steel shrouds and three rubber blocks, to suspend the fan motor, at the centre of the shroud.
The later type, of which I possess a pair and a spare, have a moulded plastic shroud with several (seven I think) integral, plastic radial supports, to suspend the fan motor, at the centre of the shroud. Following best practice, to minimise noise, the number of fan blades and the number of radial motor supports, share no common factor.
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slaw
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| Do you have a picture, NASkeet? |
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NASkeet
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| Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:35 am Post subject: 1968~79 VW Type 2, intra-duct, ventilation booster fans |
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| slaw wrote: |
| Do you have a picture, NASkeet? |
Funny you should ask, but I do just happen to have a few photographs, which I took sometime ago, using my 1979 vintage, Olympus OM2, 35 mm film-format, SLR camera.
Both the fans (VW Part No. 211 959 113 E) and the matching double-throw rotary switch (VW Part No. 211 959 511 A), are shown as Items 18 and 24~27, on Page 104, of the official 1968~79 VW Type 2, Replacement Parts Catalogue & Microfiche
My photographs, show two views of the fans, one of the matching double-throw rotary switch and the retro-fitted white nylon spacers with ¼ inch ground teminal, on the dashboard, ventilation control-lever, spindle bracket, which fits behind the instrument panel.
Now, I just need to find out how to post them! By coincidence, my local public library's document scanner, was made operational again, just a few days ago, having been out of action, for the last couple of months.
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slaw
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| Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Can't wait! Thanks for taking the time and trouble, NASkeet! |
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mnskmobi
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| slaw wrote: |
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It took some tapping to get the fans to run quietly.... and they really don't make noise now, all I hear is the air moving, with perhaps a quiet hum from the motors. <snip> |
Could you explain in more detail how you got the fans to run quietly? 
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Martin. |
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Jaegermeister
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I recently bought a set of Canadian fresh air fans that I still need to install in my 79 Westy. Does anyone know which fuse I should hook them up to?
I looked at the wiring diagram in the Bentley and just managed to confuse myself more. 
Thanks!
Jimmy
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stevo
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| Jaegermeister wrote: |
I recently bought a set of Canadian fresh air fans that I still need to install in my 79 Westy. Does anyone know which fuse I should hook them up to?
I looked at the wiring diagram in the Bentley and just managed to confuse myself more.
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bentley says the headlight fuse - #6 - is the place to wire in the switch for 70 and later [12 fuse block]. you might begin there.
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slaw
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| Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:38 am Post subject: |
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| In my 69 I tied it to #1 which is the interior light. It will run with the ignition off, sure, but I'm unlikely to forget I have them running when I park the car. |
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NASkeet
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| Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:42 am Post subject: Re: 1968~79 VW Type 2, intra-duct, ventilation booster fans |
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| slaw wrote: |
| Do you have a picture, NASkeet? |
Funny you should ask, but I do just happen to have a few photographs, which I took sometime ago, using my 1979 vintage, Olympus OM2, 35 mm film-format, SLR camera.
Both the fans (VW Part No. 211 959 113 E) and the matching double-throw rotary switch (VW Part No. 211 959 511 A), are shown as Items 18 and 24~27, on Page 104, of the official 1968~79 VW Type 2, Replacement Parts Catalogue & Microfiche
My photographs, show two views of the fans, one of the matching double-throw rotary switch and the retro-fitted white nylon spacers with ¼ inch ground teminal, on the dashboard, ventilation control-lever, spindle bracket, which fits behind the instrument panel.
Now, I just need to find out how to post them! By coincidence, my local public library's document scanner, was made operational again, just a few days ago, having been out of action, for the last couple of months.
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Nigel A. Skeet |
As promised, here are the links to the photograhs, which I finally fathomed how to post in the Gallery. Hopefully, they will give you some ideas, with regard to upgrading both the ventilation and heating systems, of 1968~79 VW type 2s.
The ventilation booster fans, showing the motor's six moulded plastic radial supports:
The ventilation booster fans, showing the impeller's nine, moulded plastic fan blades:
The double-throw, rotary fan switch:
White nylon spacers, with ¼ inch ground teminal, on the dashboard, ventilation control-lever, spindle bracket:
White nylon spacer, with ¼ inch ground teminal, on the dashboard, heater control-lever, spindle bracket:
White nylon spacer, with ¼ inch ground teminal, for the dashboard, control-lever, spindle bracket, which fits behind the instrument panel:
They are factory-fitted to the 1972~79 VW 17/18/2000 Type 2. This type of spacer, is NOT found on the 1968~79 VW 1600 Type 2, but can be retro-fitted, if desired, as I have done, on my 1973 VW 1600 Type 2; both for my retro-fitted heater booster fan and the intra-duct, ventilation booster fans.
Regards.
Nigel A. Skeet
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NASkeet
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:00 am Post subject: 1968~79 VW Type 2, intra-duct ventilation booster fans |
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I tried to scan and post to The Samba Gallery, my version of the electrical circuit wiring diagram, for the 1968~79 VW Type 2, intra-duct ventilation booster fans. Unfortunately, the overall diagram, drawn on International A4 sized paper (i.e. 297 mm x 210 mm), results in TOO LARGE an image size for the Gallery, even when scanned at minimum resolution and stored in a JPEG file format.
It shows such things as:
(a) how to use either the matching, double-throw, rotary switch (VW Part No. 211 959 113 E) or the double-throw, rotary switch part, of a defunct, 1968~72 VW Type 2, windshield wiper & washer switch (VW Part No. 211 959 511 A)
(b) Alternative ground (i.e. earth) connections for the fan motors, using either a direct connection to the bodywork or a white nylon spacer, with ¼ inch ground terminal, salvaged from the dashboard heater control lever, pivot shaft, of a 1972~79 VW 17/18/2000 Type 2.
(c) Alternative fused supplies, which are either live all the time or only live, when the ignition is switched on, without the starter motor being operated; equivalent to an X-terminal supply.
If anyone is interested in viewing it, I can I e-mail to you, but I'd prefer to do it as a batch to several people at once, rather than keep re-scanning the drawing.
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VDubTech
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| Nigel, you really should try to use the COMMA more...it's a widely underused little bit of punctuation. Thank you for making up for it all in one post. |
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WestyPop
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| Nigel, you really should try to use the COMMA more...it's a widely underused little bit of punctuation. Thank you for making up for it all in one post. |
Geez... get off his back with the grammar complaints. Heck, he's from Angle-land an' they barely speak English there, as any good ol' Southern boy here could tell y'all. Whut are u boy, huh? Sum kind a English perfessor?
Back on topic... still waiting to hear how to quiet down the ambulance fans' noise. OK, back to lurk mode now.
J.R.
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slaw
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I'm not too sure if you can quiet them down, I thought mine were pretty quiet, but they are kinda noisy, about what Ratwells sound like (check out his wav files on his site)
There is no clattering, it's just air making it's way through the ducts, with a slight hum from the fan.... maybe some dynamat on the duct cover itself???? |
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NASkeet
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| Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:27 am Post subject: 1968~79 VW Type 2, intra-duct, ventilation booster fans |
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| VDubTech wrote: |
| Nigel, you really should try to use the COMMA more...it's a widely underused little bit of punctuation. Thank you for making up for it all in one post. |
Geez... get off his back with the grammar complaints. Heck, he's from Angle-land an' they barely speak English there, as any good ol' Southern boy here could tell y'all. Whut are u boy, huh? Sum kind a English perfessor?
Back on topic... still waiting to hear how to quiet down the ambulance fans' noise. OK, back to lurk mode now.
J.R.
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One of the problems, of having to squeeze all my Internet use, into only one hour per day (the maximum available, at my local public library), is that I often have insufficient time, to correct the grammar and punctuation, of my revised prose.
The reason they call the language English, is because it evolved in England; the country of my birth and my present domicile, although I spent about nine years of my life (from age ½ years to 9½ years), living in Dundee, Scotland.
For a humorous insight, into correct English (i.e. not North American, Australian, New Zealand, South African, etc) punctuation, try reading "Eats, Shoots and Leaves", by Lynne Truss. This delves ino the mysteries of capitalisation, the comma and full stop, plus more exotic punctuation marks, such as the colon, semicolon, question mark, exclamation mark, inverted commas, apostrophe and hyphen, few of which seem to get regular use on this forum.
I don't profess to be a professor of English, but we professional scientists, technologists, engineers, mathematicians and educators, need to be reasonably fluent in our mother tongue.
Happy reading one and all!
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NASkeet
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:00 am Post subject: 1968~79 VW Type 2, ventilation booster fans |
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Browsing through my old magazine issues, I came across a reference to 1968~79 VW Type 2, after-market, ventilation booster fans ("Bluebird Bits...", News & Products, Volkswagen Camper & Commercial, Issue 15, Summer 2004, p16), from Bluebird Customs, in Great Britain, which included the following statement:
« Need to cool off? These repro fresh air fans for all bays, fit into ducting under the dash and draw air in through the front grille – great for hot summer days! They come as a pair with a twin-speed switch, fuse and connectors, for just £75·00. »
Bluebird Customs, 32 Whalley Road, Great Harwood, Lanceshire, BB6 7TF, Great Britain.
Tel. +44 (0) 1254 888 416
e-mail: [email protected]
http://www.bluebird-type2.co.uk
The Internet website, under the section "Heat, etc", currently quotes an updated price of £69·95, including VAT & shipping within the UK. It also claims that the fans deliver 130 CFM air flow rate, but whether this under free discharge conditions (i.e. no ducts on either the suction or discharge sides of the fan) or installed within the VW Type 2's ventilation system, is unspecified and I doubt whether Richard Foks, the proprietor, actually knows himself.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=376102
Strictly speaking, they are not reproduction fans, because they have only five impeller blades, with noticeably large spaces between the blades. Owing to the small blade number and large spaces, it is debatable whether these fans delivery as much air flow, as the factory-fitted OEM fans!?!
The knob of the associated twin-speed fan, is yellow in overall colour and doesn't look anything like the factory-fitted OEM fan-switch knob (i.e. dimpled, truncated cone shape, with fan-impeller emblem). If one disliked having a non-matching switch pattern, one could use a 1968~72 VW Type 2, windshield wiper & washer switch instead.
However, if one cannot obtain second-hand, a pair of factory-fitted OEM fans, associated switch & wiring, at a reasonable price, from countries such as Australia or South Africa, then this product is probably a reasonable alternative. One ocassionally sees the OEM fans advertised, on the following Australian VW websites, plus probably some others, including Ebay:
http://www.kombiclub.com
http://aussieveedubbers.com
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NASkeet
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:59 am Post subject: Ambulance fan question |
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I had originally posted a further reply to this thread, with various pictures and comments, but for some inexplicable reason, it would not reactivate, so I have started a new tthread as follows:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2494694#2494694
I have also amended some of my earlier posts in this existing subject thread, to show pictures of both the OEM and after-market, intra-duct, electric ventilation-booster fans, plus some of the hardware I used for the electrical circuit modification.
Regards.
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NASkeet
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:45 am Post subject: 1968~79 VW Type 2, intra-duct ventilation booster fans |
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Here finally, is a circuit diagram, showing alternative circuits for the 1968~79 VW Type 2, intra-duct, two-speed, electric, ventilation booster fans.
Item E17, in the electrical circuit diagram, corresponds to the white nylon spacer, with 6·3 mm (i.e. ¼ inch) earth terminal, of which two are illustrated in the following picture:
1968~72 VW Type 2, dashboard, twin ventilation control-lever assembly, substituted in place of the single ventilation control-lever assembly, in my British specification, 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 campervan. This allows me to independently control the opening, of the left-hand and right-hand, ventilation flaps.
Also shown, are two white nylon spacers, with ¼ inch ground terminal, on the dashboard, ventilation control-lever, spindle bracket, which fits behind the instrument panel. These provide the ground, for my intra-duct ventilation fans, so the fans will only operate, when the front ventilation flaps are open.
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Much modified, RHD 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan, with the World's only decent, cross-over-arm, SWF pantograph rear-window wiper
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chabanais
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 10:17 am Post subject: Re: Intra-duct, ventilation booster fans (aka Ambulance Fans |
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Yes this is an old thread but I am ready to wire up the Aussie fans I bought years ago and I was wondering if anybody knows if how what is written below will change the install vs. LHD models?
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| Don't forget, that if you buy second-hand fans & switch from Australia or South Africa, etc, the wiring harness, will be for a right-hand drive vehicle. |
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Bentley has a diagrams
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