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salonici Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:21 pm Post subject: unknown split speedo 1946 with 180km/h |
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Hi,
i found these speedo dated 8/46 some days ago. It was lying for the last 50 years in the basement of a former VW-dealer in Berlin. Does anyone know anything about this speedo? I’m happy about any hint about were these speedo was applied.
Greetz,
Nicolas
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usariemen Samba Member

Joined: August 28, 2004 Posts: 1745 Location: Germany
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like a younger brother of the Berlin/Rome car speedo.
There where some vw based race cars after the war.
I would guess it comes out of one of those. _________________ Master of my domain! |
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Seb67 Samba Member

Joined: December 02, 2003 Posts: 1009 Location: New England
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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If this was for a production car I would call it "Wunschdenken".
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salonici Samba Member
Joined: October 19, 2009 Posts: 7
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:49 am Post subject: unknowns speedo |
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Has anyone photos or further informations of vw based after war race cars? |
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mandraks Samba Member

Joined: November 28, 2004 Posts: 7114 Location: Lawrenceville, Ga
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:37 am Post subject: |
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That would be awesome for a split or barndoor with a beefed up motor
and, a beetle is certainly able to hit 160km per hour, 100mph, n the speedo, just takes a longer hill on the autobahn
usariemen wrote: |
Looks like a younger brother of the Berlin/Rome car speedo.
There where some vw based race cars after the war.
I would guess it comes out of one of those. |
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Zwitterkafer Samba Member

Joined: November 17, 2007 Posts: 996 Location: Lanark County, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:03 am Post subject: |
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Interesting how the paint on that VW emblem tab has fared much better than that of the main speedo dial. _________________ "Criticism comes easier than Craftsmanship"
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oval56 Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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i would take it for the hebmuller
nice find! _________________ www.oval56.com
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franklinunes Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:25 am Post subject: |
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Nice find.
btw sorry to ask, but the logo "VW" is ok on that speedo? shouldn't be the other kdf?
regards. |
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BDSBSS23 Samba Member

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johnshenry Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:25 am Post subject: |
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Very interesting find. BTW, the "0.49" on the housing is the rolling ratio (0.49 rotations per meter), this is the same at the 16" wheel beetles have always used, which means it was intended for a car with stock wheel sizes. Of course if it were built for a racer, they may have opted for the best wheel for that, and not cared about speedo accuracy. _________________ John Henry
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RichOakley Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:00 am Post subject: |
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From what I understand VDO/Viegel made these for a number of vehicles in this design. It does have to be said that that VW tag at the top seems to have been added at a later date (aren't blue tags for '48 models?).
I also thought that '46 speedometers had the drive exiting at 90 degrees to the case rather than at 45 degrees (maybe that change happened before 8/46, I aam not sure). |
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johnshenry Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:24 am Post subject: |
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RichOakley wrote: |
From what I understand VDO/Viegel made these for a number of vehicles in this design. It does have to be said that that VW tag at the top seems to have been added at a later date (aren't blue tags for '48 models?).
I also thought that '46 speedometers had the drive exiting at 90 degrees to the case rather than at 45 degrees (maybe that change happened before 8/46, I aam not sure). |
Yes, but it also has the VW L-part number stamped on the back, so it would seem it was made for VW....... of course they may have just used that housing because that is what they had available. _________________ John Henry
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salonici Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:42 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for your opinions. The only thing I can certainty say is that the speedometer definitely was deposited since the mid-fifties and no one has changed anything on it. Perhaps someone has photos of something similar? |
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RichOakley Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:01 am Post subject: |
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johnshenry wrote: |
RichOakley wrote: |
From what I understand VDO/Viegel made these for a number of vehicles in this design. It does have to be said that that VW tag at the top seems to have been added at a later date (aren't blue tags for '48 models?).
I also thought that '46 speedometers had the drive exiting at 90 degrees to the case rather than at 45 degrees (maybe that change happened before 8/46, I aam not sure). |
Yes, but it also has the VW L-part number stamped on the back, so it would seem it was made for VW....... of course they may have just used that housing because that is what they had available. |
Good point John. Didn't spot the 'L'. |
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kevm Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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Very interesting speedo, here's some pics of a 4.46 speedo I sold ages ago ...
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usariemen Samba Member

Joined: August 28, 2004 Posts: 1745 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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It comes out of this car. Well, maybe.
At least it ran in Berlin 1948.
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salonici Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:26 am Post subject: |
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What kind of car is on the pic? |
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usariemen Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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salonici wrote: |
What kind of car is on the pic? |
What does it look like?
It is a vw based race car.
The info I have says it has a 1,1 Liter VW engine, so it maybe is Kübel based.
The engine was modified to 42 PS and the lightweight body made it a 380 Kilogramm car.
I do not know its top speed but a speedo with the stock vw range was not enough for sure. _________________ Master of my domain! |
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salonici Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:50 am Post subject: Found the answer |
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I've just been informed that the speedometer is from a Petermax Mueller record-breaking car. |
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MDKG Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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Very cool ! How did you find out?
BTW anything else in that basement? |
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