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ALLWAGONS
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Did I mention that my side markers light up even with the ignition on. So while driving, they light up but don't blink when I use the blinker. Good enough for me.
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KTPhil 
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| Did I mention that my side markers light up even with the ignition on. So while driving, they light up but don't blink when I use the blinker. Good enough for me. |
Interesting, this is non-standard behavior. Those wired as original ONLY work with they key off, and those as turn signals ONLY with the key on (though 4-ways work any time). You must have them wired as parking lights but lack the grey-wire connection at the ignition switch, and must just grab a connection that is hot with the key on. |
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ALLWAGONS
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I used a NOS complete column , I didn't touch any of the wires other than reconnect.
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I recycle old cars and parts, other than when I rot, that's as Green as I am going to get.
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notchboy
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Both my old 62 notch and the 63 worked the same.
Ignition off - key out - push down the turn signal to illuminate that side - sidemarker. They did not come one when the ignition was on.
The need for these from Germany is for small narrow alleys, roads where they tell you to turn these on so oncoming cars can see your car. The side facing the road is marked with that sides marker (sidemarker). I remember seeing cars lit while stumbling back from the pub in Mainz. 
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KTPhil
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| I used a NOS complete column , I didn't touch any of the wires other than reconnect. |
NOS for what year?
And god only knows how a PO wired the car... no end to PO "creativity" and so putting it back the way the PO had it does not mean it's back to stock.
Not baggin' on you, but I've never seen those wired that way from the factory or even by a PO... no reason for it, either. Sounds like someone miswired the late standard side marker (that were built into the front turn signal lenses) wires into your non-USA side marker lamps. |
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ataraxia
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| ALLWAGONS wrote: |
| Did I mention that my side markers light up even with the ignition on. So while driving, they light up but don't blink when I use the blinker. Good enough for me. |
Interesting, this is non-standard behavior. Those wired as original ONLY work with they key off, and those as turn signals ONLY with the key on (though 4-ways work any time). You must have them wired as parking lights but lack the grey-wire connection at the ignition switch, and must just grab a connection that is hot with the key on. |
That is definitely not standard behaviour for the side marker lights.
If you have the 10 pole fuse box, which slot is it connected to? Anything else connected to that same slot? IIRC, there should be grey wires at both ends of the fused connection. |
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KTPhil
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Whadayaknow, yesterday my '71's TS switch broke. It was in the usual place: one of the little tits the W-spring bears on broke off.
Fortunately, I had a NOS spare (and am now looking for another). I took some pics before installing it.
It is PN 311-953-513 according to the box. I was actually surprised to find the "extra" contacts for the Euro parking lights. I expected my USA model to be different. Either I have a Euro spare switch, or the USA models just either clipped the wires or left them disconnected. Anyone know for sure?
I will leave my side markers wired as turn signal/4-way flashers, though it is interesting to find I could wire them up as Euros if my ignition switch has the grey wire, which it does IIRC.
I lubed the sliding white plastic parts with silicone spray, and the contacts for the horn with Bosch grease. I'm not sure those are the right lubricants, but they seem to be doing their job of eliminating friction. Given the fragility of those plastic tits, I didn't want a petroleum product but wanted them lubed. And I'm not sure how insulate the Bosch grease is, but the horn works and the rotating is silent, indicating no friction. Any better suggestions?
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ALLWAGONS
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| ALLWAGONS wrote: |
| I used a NOS complete column , I didn't touch any of the wires other than reconnect. |
NOS for what year?
And god only knows how a PO wired the car... no end to PO "creativity" and so putting it back the way the PO had it does not mean it's back to stock.
Not baggin' on you, but I've never seen those wired that way from the factory or even by a PO... no reason for it, either. Sounds like someone miswired the late standard side marker (that were built into the front turn signal lenses) wires into your non-USA side marker lamps. |
It is probably a late '65 or '66 column sine the contacts on the column were not Bakelite but plastic and My wiring is the original unhacked and uncut. Easy for me to replace everything with NOS units, just plug n play! 
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I recycle old cars and parts, other than when I rot, that's as Green as I am going to get.
Thanks to my Tesla driving neighbors, I feel more relaxed driving my SUBURBAN and old VW's.
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Donnie strickland
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Whadayaknow, yesterday my '71's TS switch broke. It was in the usual place: one of the little tits the W-spring bears on broke off.
Fortunately, I had a NOS spare (and am now looking for another). I took some pics before installing it.
It is PN 311-953-513 according to the box. I was actually surprised to find the "extra" contacts for the Euro parking lights. I expected my USA model to be different. Either I have a Euro spare switch, or the USA models just either clipped the wires or left them disconnected. Anyone know for sure?
I will leave my side markers wired as turn signal/4-way flashers, though it is interesting to find I could wire them up as Euros if my ignition switch has the grey wire, which it does IIRC.
I lubed the sliding white plastic parts with silicone spray, and the contacts for the horn with Bosch grease. I'm not sure those are the right lubricants, but they seem to be doing their job of eliminating friction. Given the fragility of those plastic tits, I didn't want a petroleum product but wanted them lubed. And I'm not sure how insulate the Bosch grease is, but the horn works and the rotating is silent, indicating no friction. Any better suggestions? |
I just replaced mine, and both my old one and the NOS replacement (311-953-513D), had all the extra wires. I'm assuming the replacement switches had all the extra wires, so the switch could be used with Euro or US cars.
I used Dow Corning DC7 silicone grease on mine -- it's like the dielectric grease you buy at a FLAPS, and it won't affect nylon. I greased the same places you did, no problems so far.
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Bobnotch
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| Whadayaknow, yesterday my '71's TS switch broke. It was in the usual place: one of the little tits the W-spring bears on broke off. |
I think those little "tit" parts are all the same thru the years. Yes, they're left and right handed.
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KTPhil
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| KTPhil wrote: |
| Whadayaknow, yesterday my '71's TS switch broke. It was in the usual place: one of the little tits the W-spring bears on broke off. |
I think those little "tit" parts are all the same thru the years. Yes, they're left and right handed. |
That's a help! Any guess as to whether the more common Bug units use the same fragile plastic parts? I am thinking if I buy the cheapest (most common?) new unit that shares them, I can cobble together a functionally new unit for the T3. |
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Bobnotch
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| Whadayaknow, yesterday my '71's TS switch broke. It was in the usual place: one of the little tits the W-spring bears on broke off. |
I think those little "tit" parts are all the same thru the years. Yes, they're left and right handed. |
That's a help! Any guess as to whether the more common Bug units use the same fragile plastic parts? I am thinking if I buy the cheapest (most common?) new unit that shares them, I can cobble together a functionally new unit for the T3. |
I'm willing to bet that bugs, buses, and ghias used the same switches and or parts of the switches. You have to remember VW was a little ahead of the competition when it came to using the same part in multiple vehicles. I'd even bet parts of those switches even found their way into rabbits and dashers of the late 70's, along with bugs until the end of production.
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KTPhil
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| Looking at some google images, I think you are right. Once VW went from the "fixed arm/external button" design for the dimmer, to the "move the whole arm/contacts inside ring portion" design, those parts look common. So perhaps careful reworking with parts form a new $40 Bug switch may work out as a cheap alternative for an otherwise expensive on-year-only part. In the next few weeks I may try just that and report back. Thanks! |
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