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Bret2094
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| You don't need a special tool for the oil pump when the case bolts are loose, it should pop right out. It's just needed when you need to get it out without splitting the case. |
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Just dont forget about it once all the nuts are off and you start nudging the case with a rubber hammer. you wont get far without removing it
Bret
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1959 baja beetle ragtop( going back to Full body)
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1960 Beetle frame Custom buggy
1962 Karmann Ghia
1967 beetle( august 66, first car)
1967 beetle (parts car)
1977 Westfalia Camper
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Cplatcek
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| W1K1 wrote: |
| You don't need a special tool for the oil pump when the case bolts are loose, it should pop right out. It's just needed when you need to get it out without splitting the case. |
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Just dont forget about it once all the nuts are off and you start nudging the case with a rubber hammer. you wont get far without removing it
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Oh nice! I was sad that I wasn't going to get the case split this weekend 
Well here are some pics of the crack in the head, little worse than I thought. What do you guys think?
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Bret2094
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| Cplatcek wrote: |
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| W1K1 wrote: |
| You don't need a special tool for the oil pump when the case bolts are loose, it should pop right out. It's just needed when you need to get it out without splitting the case. |
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Just dont forget about it once all the nuts are off and you start nudging the case with a rubber hammer. you wont get far without removing it
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Oh nice! I was sad that I wasn't going to get the case split this weekend
Well here are some pics of the crack in the head, little worse than I thought. What do you guys think?
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holy crap.....i aint ever dealt with cracks from there. i'm sure someone has, but off the last 10 engines that ive come across, they all seem to crack around the sparkplugs. That's cray cray
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1959 baja beetle ragtop( going back to Full body)
1959 beetle
1960 Beetle frame Custom buggy
1962 Karmann Ghia
1967 beetle( august 66, first car)
1967 beetle (parts car)
1977 Westfalia Camper
1972 Plymouth Duster
Just another 22 year old jackass who caught the bug, and lives by the motto " NO fatchicks allowed" , I've got too many cars as is (buses N/A) |
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Donnie strickland
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Yeah, that almost looks like impact damage, from being dropped, or struck by something.
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Bobnotch
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| Yeah, that almost looks like impact damage, from being dropped, or struck by something. |
That was my thought too. Find an aluminum welder, and just have the crack welded up.
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Cplatcek
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| Yeah, that almost looks like impact damage, from being dropped, or struck by something. |
That was my thought too. Find an aluminum welder, and just have the crack welded up. |
Yea I'm not sure what caused it, I never dropped or hit the heads. That's what I was wondering if it was fine to just have someone weld it or if I would have to replace it. Thanks! |
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Cplatcek
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Got the case cracked open today, it came apart very easy!
What should be my next step?
I was thinking of bringing everything to a shop and having them check the parts(pistons, cylinders, cranks, cams, pushrods) and see if anything needs to be replaced. I don't really know what I'm looking at when it comes to part fatigue.
I don't want to drop the $$ for an entire rebuild kit so what would be the minimum I should replace while I have it apart, this is with the idea that the above parts are all good and re-useable.
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Bret2094
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Got the case cracked open today, it came apart very easy!
What should be my next step?
I was thinking of bringing everything to a shop and having them check the parts(pistons, cylinders, cranks, cams, pushrods) and see if anything needs to be replaced. I don't really know what I'm looking at when it comes to part fatigue.
I don't want to drop the $$ for an entire rebuild kit so what would be the minimum I should replace while I have it apart, this is with the idea that the above parts are all good and re-useable.
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Spend a day cleaning everything up good. Degrease and clean your engine case in and out, along with your inner parts. Makes inspection way easier, and you wont have oil going everywhere. make sure to have the crank, rods and engine case checked by a reputable vw engine shop. When you take the rods off of the crank, make sure and label which is which. I'd say mic everything out yourself, but sounds like you haven't done this before. dont forget to take your dowels for the main bearings out and put em in a zip lock bag so you wont lose em. I'm curious, so could you snap some closeups of the bearing journals on your case? ( they are where the bearings for the case sat)
Bret
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1959 baja beetle ragtop( going back to Full body)
1959 beetle
1960 Beetle frame Custom buggy
1962 Karmann Ghia
1967 beetle( august 66, first car)
1967 beetle (parts car)
1977 Westfalia Camper
1972 Plymouth Duster
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W1K1
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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/jim_martin_engine_build.php
This article will tell you most of what you need to know on measuring, also look at super beetles.com performance 101, it covers much of a rebuild.
The bentley manual has all the dimensions and wear limits of a stock engine.
DO NOT buy parts and expect them to fit out of the box or be within spec for your build. YOU MUST MEASURE EVERYTHING.
The engine should be mocked up before final assembly a few times to check fit of different parts.
Balancing even a lowly 1600 will make a big difference in how long it lasts and how smooth it revs. Refer back to measure everything
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Donnie strickland
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| I don't want to drop the $$ for an entire rebuild kit so what would be the minimum I should replace while I have it apart, this is with the idea that the above parts are all good and re-useable. |
Yes, there's no need in spending money unnecessarily, but this is not the place to try and cut corners. If you reuse a marginal part, you'll be doing all of this over again in a few miles.
Your idea about taking things to a shop for measurement is a good one, but make sure it's a place you can trust and which knows about our engines. That can be a little difficult to find, which is why so many folks do it themselves. Previous posters have given good advice above.
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Mike Fisher
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Our local Carquest machine shop has a good reputation, but I would be tempted to do the mock up myself.
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Cplatcek
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Thanks for all the replies guys! Lots of good info. I have most of the motor cleaned up; had to take a break and wrench on the Cj for a while. I'm going to bring everything to a shop in a nearby town that is very reliable.
The main items I was hoping to reuse where pistons, crank, cam, and cylinders...I know I will have to replace the races, piston rings, seals, cam followers?, and other items.
After I got one half all cleaned up I was greeted with this sight:
What should I do about this? it looks like it would seal around the outside edge....[/img] |
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Bobnotch
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After I got one half all cleaned up I was greeted with this sight:
What should I do about this? it looks like it would seal around the outside edge....[/img] |
There's not really a whole lot you can do about that. It water damaged. Meaning it's been sitting a while with water in the bottom of the case (water eating the magnesium). You could try building up/filling in some of it with JB weld, but using some silicone on the gaskets will probably work as well. In reality, you should start looking for another case though, for a long term solution.
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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Cplatcek
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There's not really a whole lot you can do about that. It water damaged. Meaning it's been sitting a while with water in the bottom of the case (water eating the magnesium). You could try building up/filling in some of it with JB weld, but using some silicone on the gaskets will probably work as well. In reality, you should start looking for another case though, for a long term solution. |
Alright, that's kind of the route I figured most of you would say...long term I plan on doing a different motor entirely |
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Mike Fisher
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Fill it all with JB Weld as you could use the strength on the studs & use it. Nothing to lose in trying on that sump. It will be forever known as the Two Harbors engine that ran for 150,000 miles patched up! 
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Bobnotch
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There's not really a whole lot you can do about that. It water damaged. Meaning it's been sitting a while with water in the bottom of the case (water eating the magnesium). You could try building up/filling in some of it with JB weld, but using some silicone on the gaskets will probably work as well. In reality, you should start looking for another case though, for a long term solution. |
Alright, that's kind of the route I figured most of you would say...long term I plan on doing a different motor entirely |
I've seen them worse than that, and still in use (it's in a bug). I've even got 1 here that's not quite that bad, that I'm still using. I just make sure I use some ultra copper permatex on the gaskets to seal the sump plate on it. It's been working for about 18 or 19 years now. The key is sealing the grooves and pock marks, so you don't leak oil out. 
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Cplatcek
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| Fill it all with JB Weld as you could use the strength on the studs & use it. Nothing to lose in trying on that sump. It will be forever known as the Two Harbors engine that ran for 150,000 miles patched up! |
Haha I would take that!
Here I thought my case might be un-useable, what a relief! |
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Cplatcek
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Haven't worked much on the square recently...actually its out in the snow due to other projects taking up space. However I recently came across a Type 4 motor out of a 1975 Porsche 914 112k running motor, complete for 100$$. I was thinking about picking it up instead of rebuilding my 1600. I did some reading online and the install looks fairly straightforward.
Thoughts on this?
Are these motors better than type 3s?
Does anyone have a link to a conversion guide?
Will it bolt up to my manual trans?
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Cplatcek
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Also where is a good place to buy carpet from? Either pre molded or a roll of it that I can trim/ fit myself if its a lot cheaper.
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Bobnotch
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Also where is a good place to buy carpet from? Either pre molded or a roll of it that I can trim/ fit myself if its a lot cheaper.
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I've been using the TMI brand carpet kit from J-Bugs. It's about 100 bucks for a black kit that does the main interior space (like that of a Notch or Fastback). They're ok for what you're buying/paying. If you want something better, go with a Sew Fine kit (about 3X the money).
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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