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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:47 am    Post subject: Re: Heavy Rain = Leaky Windshield. What Do? Reply with quote

greebly wrote:

I concur, 3M bedding compound worked for me, new windshield and new seal with freshly painted window out restoration and I had a leak. After running a bead of bedding compound I cannot replicate the leak with a pressure washer.


...just to clarify: you installed a new windshield AND new seal DRY and you had a leak. Then you ran a bead of 3M8509 around the already installed windshield / or did you remove the whole windshield/seal and start again, but first putting a bead of 3M 8509?

What I am getting at is: To stop a leak using 3M9509 BEDDING SEALANT is it necessary to remove the whole windshield, or is it enough to run beads around the seams of an already installed windshield?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:56 am    Post subject: Re: Heavy Rain = Leaky Windshield. What Do? Reply with quote

Ed,

It depends on what you see when you lift the outside outer edge of the windshield seal (like a flap) and take a look at the paint under it. Any rust? If so then you need to remove the windshield, treat the rust, reinstall the windshield with a new seal and some sealant. The sealant goes under that rubber flap, not along the edge.

If the paint is good, unlikely, then you could try to just add the sealant under the flap and hope that takes care of it.... YMMV.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:20 am    Post subject: Re: Heavy Rain = Leaky Windshield. What Do? Reply with quote

epowell,
I had a problem just like yours: new German seal, new glass and good surface.
I may have wrongly used a bead of silicone as opposed to urathane but, the fix worked!
I ran a bead under the ( lifted up seal ) approximately 6" both directions from the UPPER corners. Not a drop of moisture for 4 years now.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Heavy Rain = Leaky Windshield. What Do? Reply with quote

Ahhh.... cool! Thanks guys.
Currently the seal looks so nice and clean and snug that I wouldn't normally think of lifting it - but I guess that is what has to be done - I will check it tomorrow in the light --- hopefully I won't have to pull the windshield... my guess is that I won't have to because I think this recent body work and paint job is just 18 months old or less...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 3:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Heavy Rain = Leaky Windshield. What Do? Reply with quote

Even with new glass and seal I had leaks on my 82. The fix was to completely dry the seal area and apply a fine bead of sealant under the perimeter of the body to seal surface. I lifted the seal edge as I went using a plastic tool. There is no need to use windshield adhesive (it won't hurt though) as this is not a structural application, just a water seal.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 3:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Heavy Rain = Leaky Windshield. What Do? Reply with quote

ONE QUESTION: (see foto)

First I lift back the seal and inspect the metal underneath for rust and moisture --- do I lift the seal back from SIDE A or SIDE B?

Second, if I find that there is no rust and/or anything to be too concerned about under the seal, then I should go ahead and apply a bead of urathane sealant under the seal from SIDE A or SIDE B?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 3:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Heavy Rain = Leaky Windshield. What Do? Reply with quote

epowell wrote:
ONE QUESTION: (see foto)

First I lift back the seal and inspect the metal underneath for rust and moisture --- do I lift the seal back from SIDE A or SIDE B?

Second, if I find that there is no rust and/or anything to be too concerned about under the seal, then I should go ahead and apply a bead of urathane sealant under the seal from SIDE A or SIDE B?


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You are concerned with with side "B". Water cannot pass from A to B as the seal is solid. You would apply sealant under the lip on Side B.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:15 am    Post subject: Re: Heavy Rain = Leaky Windshield. What Do? Reply with quote

I just checked out my windshield seal up-close... and SIDE "B" (the outer side of the seal) seems to be totally glued down tightly almost all the way around - so tightly that I really don't think I should mess with it (or should I rip it open??)

However there are a couple of spots in the upper corners that look slightly slightly opened (see fotos)... and slightly along the top seam might not be so sealed up --- perhaps this might be where the problem lies?


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:51 am    Post subject: Re: Heavy Rain = Leaky Windshield. What Do? Reply with quote

There are several places on the nose where water can enter, the windshield and the antenna being the most common.

If the the windshield seal is already bonded down I would not disturb it. I would suggest confirming a good bond all the way around, if you find any gaps a dab of sealant should be an easy fix.

I have never seen water moving in from side "A" around the window glass. But it might be possible with a loose fitting seal. Any water ingress here should be visible on the inside of the van above the dashboard.

As a test some non permanent rubber cement (used for bonding photos etc) could be used to cover any suspected leak locations. Then just apply water.

Edit: If the repaint was done with the windshield instsalled, it is possible that the paint is holding the seal edges down. This is not going to stop water ingress. I would recommend freeing the seal edge and applying sealant if this is the case.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:53 am    Post subject: Re: Heavy Rain = Leaky Windshield. What Do? Reply with quote

Right where your gutter drains off....
Sure worth a shot, isn't it?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:04 am    Post subject: Re: Heavy Rain = Leaky Windshield. What Do? Reply with quote

Probably the thing to do might be first to pour a bucket of water (or a garden hose) over the nose, and see where water might be coming in... ???
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:04 am    Post subject: Re: Heavy Rain = Leaky Windshield. What Do? Reply with quote

If you've been leaking in the front drivers side corner, inspect the grounds there, only a matter of time before something acts up or your blow fuses for no reason.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:07 am    Post subject: Re: Heavy Rain = Leaky Windshield. What Do? Reply with quote

spacecadet wrote:
If you've been leaking in the front drivers side corner, inspect the grounds there, only a matter of time before something acts up or your blow fuses for no reason.


yes, inspected both sides, and small amounts are getting in on both drivers' and passenger sides.
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