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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HamburgerBrad wrote:
up to 71? they used wide 5 vw. 5 x 205mm


Up to 70' on the wide five pattern. 71' up used the 5x112 pattern (first year for disk brakes, booster assited). Tough wheel pattern to find, I'm looking.

Rod, I posted a link to the Baja busses site over on the baywindow forum (I know your over there too) for PEPPE. Go through the site. Hes got real good info on what it takes to "baja" a bus.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Rod, I posted a link to the Baja busses site over on the baywindow forum (I know your over there too) for PEPPE. Go through the site. Hes got real good info on what it takes to "baja" a bus.


This one?

http://www.baja.com/kombi/

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had some time to dig through that... real cool!

Anybody know what the rust/drit catches are on these things? What needs to be opened up so I dont create a swiss cheese bus? Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That truck makes me mad. If I had an old early 50's truck, I'd restore it to stock.

my truck kicks ass!!!!!!!!! Shut the fuck up about your stock nazi crap. If you want a stock bd sc, go get one.

FWIW, the front beam was cut and welded, BD at the ends, later split in the middle, may have been turned to raise it, I'm not sure. Other mods include big ass shocks in front, the rear suspension is tunnel case (I think a 4.37 r&p by the gearing feel) with later little nut (55-63) RGBs. BD shocks are long gone, has 3 big ones each side at rear (look in the gallery). RGB attachment is unique. The dash is later. Solid mounted tranny, with the split case tranny nose mount gone. The long frame rails and the drag link are reinforced. Basically, the mods are much much more than just a roll cage and hacked wheel wells. It drives rough surfaces real nice. To take it to stock would be a TON of work, and not in the program. I found a '76 Hot VWs with an article on this truck off-road racing, and saw an old VW Trends with it airborne. Still has the old Centerline rims with monster tires, which did real good in the mud on the Shasta Trip.

At least I'm driving it Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy which hadn't been done in years.

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Anyway, I think it needs another muffler with better ground clearance than the header thing on there now. I'll probably be cruising this forum on tips.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clara:

Sweet truck!

Any chance we could see some tech pictures of the underside?

Any chance you've had it in some real soft sand? NC has some of the softest stuff around!

Cool

How is the steering? I meant to ask about it earlier but forgot... on these lifted buses with wide tall tires does it take a gorrilla to turn the wheel? (Noting that theres not much weight on the front of a bus... but still worth asking!)

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I posted some pics in the gallery check the link under my post... maybe I can get more. Seriously this was only running as of less than 3 weeks ago, and we immediately took it on a 1500? mile trip (reckless?) Drove to the car wash today to get the mud off of under it, then went home and I pulled the motor to replace the bad TO bearing and do some other stuff. The steering isn't hard to turn at all, just like a normal split bus, but it does need an alignment, was pulling to the right the whole trip. That sucked on pavement, but I didn't notice it on dirt. Needs more work before I take it out again... starting with a key would be nice, too. And the gas tank geometry is not so hot. (filler neck should be more slanted, nearly horizontal is bad during left turns.)
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like someone took a lot of time putting that thing together!

Has everything in the junkyard you speak of in your gallery been crushed? Question
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ya, they must have. I just posted some scans of an old Hot VWs with it in 76 when they were putting it together.

Ya, I think all that stuff is crushed... Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats awful... hate that they crushed em all!

I've seen a few of the BAJA tube body buses around, but nothing that talks about what they are capable of... Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool article, thanks for scanning it! Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

right on... there had been some changes made between that article and when I got it... but it really cool anyway. Did you notice the muffler in the pic from the magazine curls up and points out the decklid.. no ground clearance issues... do you know if I can get one like that somewhere? at least where the muffler part doesn't hang down on the side. That was a problem at one point in the snow.

Here's a baja truck fs in Illinois:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4528948575
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did see that muffler in the pics...

Most any could be mounted like that, you just need to make sure that rain cant get into the cylinders... and also would need to drill a tiny hole at the lowest point in the system.

I just wonder how they attached it without cutting down access to the engine compartment DRASTICALLY. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey guys... Do mud swampers work half decent on sand? In the baywindow forum thers a guy that found some swampers that fit a bay's stock wheel!

Anyhow...

Thanks again for all the help! Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm putting the Super Swampers on my 78. They work well on my brothers wrangler in just about any terrain. Not much sand in KY though.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Theres a heck of a lot of "just about any terrain" in this country and others though!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baja Buses are cool! Barn, split, bay or slant. Seeing how it said Vanagon's in the title I saw this slant window at BBB 2004. SYNCRO aka 4wd, Westfalia, lift kit, Heavy Duty bumpers, wench, rack, ladder, a 911 power plant and trans in the rear and he said he's not done yet.
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Any car with a wench in it is ok with me. Winches are cool too Very Happy
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Any car with a wench in it is ok with me. Winches are cool too Very Happy

Either one will work if you use it right. Shocked Wink
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Baja single cab I saw in San Diego.
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This guy goes EVERYWHERE!

Here's an old picture of my Baja Bus. I use to go out to the desert (Glamis) all the time. She did great in the sand (flat and mild mound/hills, not the dunes) as long as I let the rear tires down to about 5 lbs and didn't stop. Flat sand I could stop and go. Always carried a jack, large piece of carpet or plywood and passengers to help push if I got stuck. Which I did a few times. She has a cut and turned front end and cut wheel wells for more clearance on the bigger tires. Once I put on huge 18" wide paddles tires and she did even better in the sand. I had to replace the rear shocks with straight pieces of angle steel so my wheel wells wouldn't cut the tires. I didn't drive fast. I just cruzed all the sand roads at Glamis. I've had her on many logging roads and in other same type of areas with out ever any problems. The ultra low first gear in the split works wonders on hard ground steep hills. You don't have to hit them as fast as you would in a Baja Bug to make the top. Just watch out when you get off camber as you are more likely to tip over than in a bug.
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Mercedes wheels are 5 x 112mm bolt pattern, but bolt holes are 12mm; can be drilled to 14mm (from late model C/E class cars) - I have a set of '98-'00 CLK 16"x7" aluminum wheels here in the shop that are going onto a buddy's Vanagon - we had adaptors made that were lug-centric in bolting onto van studs & hub-centric where wheel attaches. The '98-'00 CLK wheels have a center bore large enough to clear the front hub nut/cap & rear drum snout... bought four wheels in excellent shape (take-offs) for $200 from Ebay - had adaptors drilled for 14mm bolts to attach the adaptors to van, then had adaptors fitted with 12mm studs for wheel attachment.

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