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vanis13 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 9:42 am Post subject: Re: Cabinet T-Moulding "Shrinkage" Repair |
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shagginwagon83 wrote: |
What's the ideal glue after the stretch? |
for exterior perimeter, like table, doors staples or a couple brad nails
interior, I have not tested much yet though silicone often prevents other glues if it doesn't work. E6000 and shoegoo tend to work on plastics well. _________________ 83.5 Westy with Subaru 2.5, 4 spd manual, center seat, COLD A/C on 134a!, Winter camp heated with an Espar B4 gasoline furnace
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E1 Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2013 Posts: 6677 Location: Westfalia, Earth
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Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 9:07 am Post subject: Re: Cabinet T-Moulding "Shrinkage" Repair |
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I’m using silicone in preferring a weak and removable bond.
I’ll let you know if it works or not — though that could be next week, or next year. _________________ ‘84 Westy, 2.1L with Digijet, 5.43 R+P, GT Gears
"Adding power makes you faster on the straights.
Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere."
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shagginwagon83 Samba Member
Joined: February 07, 2016 Posts: 3856 Location: VA/TN
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Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:55 am Post subject: Re: Cabinet T-Moulding "Shrinkage" Repair |
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What's the ideal glue after the stretch? _________________ I have spoken.
Brandon
"Jo Ann" - '83.5 Westfalia EJ22e w/Peloquin
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E1 Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2013 Posts: 6677 Location: Westfalia, Earth
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: Cabinet T-Moulding "Shrinkage" Repair |
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Synergy Solutions wrote: |
Another heating trick (eric) if you’re in a campground, is boil some water. Drop the vinyl in the water for 2 minutes, stretch it to fit, dry, then glue.
No heat gun needed if you dont want to risk the heat spots or dont have the $20 harbor freight heat gun…
I often use painters tape to hold it in place for 24 hours too… |
Thanks Stuart, good to hear this should work. Project 29 on the list.
Appreciate it. _________________ ‘84 Westy, 2.1L with Digijet, 5.43 R+P, GT Gears
"Adding power makes you faster on the straights.
Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere."
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Synergy Solutions Samba Member
Joined: September 26, 2022 Posts: 114 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 1:24 pm Post subject: Re: Cabinet T-Moulding "Shrinkage" Repair |
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Sodo wrote: |
GoWesty's option is $75 for 25 feet.
Looks like the real thing.
I need about 6.5 feet - anyone have 6.5ft for sale?
Or a wrecked 'large Westy table'? That's 8 feet. |
Find Ralf Sudorf in the classifieds and send him a PM.
Or jason bustillos at [email protected] _________________ Im a Mobile Aircooled VW mechanic, and work on old and new cars alike. Specialty in Camper busses/Vans, TDI, and FI diagnosis and repair.
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Sodo Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 12:51 pm Post subject: Re: Cabinet T-Moulding "Shrinkage" Repair |
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GoWesty's option is $75 for 25 feet.
Looks like the real thing.
I need about 6.5 feet - anyone have 6.5ft for sale?
Or a wrecked 'large Westy table'? That's 8 feet. _________________
'90 Westy EJ25, NEW oil rings (!) 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered gearbox
....KTMs, GasGas, SPOT mtb |
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Synergy Solutions Samba Member
Joined: September 26, 2022 Posts: 114 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 9:52 pm Post subject: Re: Cabinet T-Moulding "Shrinkage" Repair |
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Another heating trick (eric) if you’re in a campground, is boil some water. Drop the vinyl in the water for 2 minutes, stretch it to fit, dry, then glue.
No heat gun needed if you dont want to risk the heat spots or dont have the $20 harbor freight heat gun…
I often use painters tape to hold it in place for 24 hours too… _________________ Im a Mobile Aircooled VW mechanic, and work on old and new cars alike. Specialty in Camper busses/Vans, TDI, and FI diagnosis and repair.
(206) 841 7324 |
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E1 Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2013 Posts: 6677 Location: Westfalia, Earth
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Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: Cabinet T-Moulding "Shrinkage" Repair |
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I haven’t read the whole thread but do want to stretch our molding.
My evil plan is to boil water, coil the molding into it, put on Nomex cooking gloves, stretch and measure, repeat longer in the water until at least a half-inch too long, force into length in the channel, glue after shrinkage and once the right length. _________________ ‘84 Westy, 2.1L with Digijet, 5.43 R+P, GT Gears
"Adding power makes you faster on the straights.
Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere."
— Colin Chapman
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MsTaboo Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2006 Posts: 4141 Location: East Kootenay, British Columbia
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Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: Cabinet T-Moulding "Shrinkage" Repair |
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Sodo wrote: |
Where is a good place to get ~8 feet of gray T-moulding? |
GoWesty
Brickwerks
Guntz
etc. _________________ Currently:
'90 Syncro Westy 3 knob w/Zetec
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Help the fight against Truth Decay.
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jlrftype7 Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2018 Posts: 3665 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 2:56 pm Post subject: Re: Cabinet T-Moulding "Shrinkage" Repair |
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Sodo wrote: |
Wonder where dgbeatty's aged/shrunken T-molding stash went.
Sure wish I could ask him...
He's probably trying to guide us to it but can't log on.
Where is a good place to get ~8 feet of gray T-moulding? |
I can't swear they'd have a exact match for Factory colors, but I bought some 3/4" wide and 1/2" wide T-molding from an On-line T-molding store back in 2020 when I was making my DIY cabinets for the Vanagon. I'll try and find the place, and post it tonight. They were pretty well stocked in multiple colors.
Doesn't GoWesty or one of our other Vendors stock the T-molding for the Westy's? _________________ '68 Westy- my first VW and vehicle/Bus- long gone.- sold it to a traveling Swiss couple....
'67 Type 3 Fastback, my 2nd car- gone
'69 Semi-Auto Stick Shift Beetle-gone
2017 MINI Coopers, our current DDs
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Sodo Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2007 Posts: 9707 Location: Western WA
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Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: Cabinet T-Moulding "Shrinkage" Repair |
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Wonder where dgbeatty's aged/shrunken T-molding stash went.
Sure wish I could ask him...
He's probably trying to guide us to it but can't log on.
Where is a good place to get ~8 feet of gray T-moulding? _________________
'90 Westy EJ25, NEW oil rings (!) 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered gearbox
....KTMs, GasGas, SPOT mtb |
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jimf909 Samba Member
Joined: April 03, 2014 Posts: 7532 Location: WA/ID
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 1:49 pm Post subject: Re: Cabinet T-Moulding "Shrinkage" Repair |
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^^^I'd like to visit your attic. It seems there may be other interesting works in progress up there. _________________ - Jim
Abscate wrote: |
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Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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dgbeatty Samba Member
Joined: October 26, 2006 Posts: 702 Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 11:32 am Post subject: Cabinet T-Moulding "Shrinkage" Repair |
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In the past I have purchased the trim in bulk and then like fine whiskey have aged it. I usually cut it into 3 meter lengths. Using a wide board with slots made from strips of place the new trim pieces one per slot. The contraption is then placed in the attic for a couple of three years to age ie shrink during the hot hot Sacramento summers.
When installing i glue them into place using an adhesive that does not creep under tension and heat ie is not plastic. If the area is not visible i anchor the ends with monel staples.
Most importantly I save any removed pieces to be reused in areas that only need a shorter piece. Tip, if you scrub the old trim with a medium or fine Scotch Brite and BarKeepers Friend they look like new.
Keeping the inside trim around the doors and drawers tight tends to be more troublesome for me personally. _________________ Schau in das Buch |
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johnt55 Samba Member
Joined: March 15, 2011 Posts: 30 Location: Houston, TX
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 9:05 am Post subject: Re: Cabinet T-Moulding "Shrinkage" Repair |
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A few "power tips" about doing this repair.
1. Use the heat gun as little as possible! Never point the heat gun at one spot for more than a second. Doesn't take much to actually melt or set the rubber on fire!
2. Use a clamp or Vise grips to grab either end of the inner tab strip that goes into the table's notch so you don't mar the outer edge.
3. After clamping, hang the strip from a garage ceiling joist with a weight, (1-3 pounds) clamped at the bottom end while you carefully heat the entire rubber strip.
4. Note the amount of stretch, (measure from the floor to the bottom of the strip) you'll need after the strip has cooled because it will shrink back slightly.
5. Take your time.
6. You can also, (carefully) restore the rubber strip to its original shiny surface by very slowly passing the heat over the outer surface. This very slightly softens/melts the worn outer surface and it will shine again. Only do this if it's that important to you. Not worth making a mistake!
7. When heating the rubber edging in order to stretch it, always point the heat gun at the BACK SIDE of the rubber strip. This way, if you accidentally overheat the strip, (easy to do!) the deformation should be hidden from view.
8. I used Gorilla glue, but remember that Gorilla glue expands as it dries. So, watch it carefully so you can remove the excess as needed. (I'm sure there are better glues, but that's what I had on the shelf).
9. Use a sharp box cutter or other very sharp edge to slice the rubber straight across after you've fit the rubber strip back into the table slot.
10. I used protective wooden blocks, (to reduce damaging the soft rubber outer surface) and clamps, but I'm sure wooden blocks wrapped tightly with light ropes will do the job. Without the protective blocks, your clamps or rope may damage the rubber as the glue sets.
11. Pay particular attention to the area an inch or two on either side of the table corners. This is where the rubber strip will most likely try to pull away from the table top while drying. Avoid clamping the corners.
12. Let it all dry overnight before removing the clamps/ropes. (You can wait that long!)
13. Admire your work! _________________ 81' AC Westy |
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jimf909 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2020 9:45 pm Post subject: Re: Cabinet T-Moulding "Shrinkage" Repair |
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Sodo wrote: |
Also it seems prudent to measure the lengths that you need to stretch it before pulling it out.
So if it's 10mm short on each end, then when you have it out, you stretch it 20mm longer |
Don't overthink this. Take the table into the shop, pull the edge trim out to where it's still attached, heat it with a heat gun, add your favorite glue to the slot, heat the trim with the heat gun again, stretch it a bit while reinserting it, bump it with a rubber mallet. I got my ends this close on the first try two weekends ago. Less than 60 leisurely minutes. We coulda made it a SD (social distanced) project day.
_________________ - Jim
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Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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jimf909 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2020 9:40 pm Post subject: Re: Cabinet T-Moulding "Shrinkage" Repair |
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Sodo, here's my cupholder (made from the end of a table...the rest of the table was used to make a closet door) with a similar situation as yours. Pull it out to where it is still in the slot, i.e. no need to remove it entirely, heat it up, stretch and reinsert it. I believe some glue will help hold it in place (see my post above for suggested construction adhesive). Westfalia may have used adhesive but it may have lost grip (I'm guessing they didn't and just expected the moulding to stay in place - most of their work has held up pretty well).
_________________ - Jim
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Do not get killed, do not kill others.
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Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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65Tops Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2020 9:15 pm Post subject: Re: Cabinet T-Moulding "Shrinkage" Repair |
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Sodo wrote: |
Did Westfalia glue it in? |
If they did its long gone. I used gorilla glue on the ends and areas where it turns the radius. Make sure everything is clean to give it a fighting chance. _________________ 89 Vanagon 2.1 WBX Westy Camper "Spanky" |
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Sodo Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2020 9:03 pm Post subject: Re: Cabinet T-Moulding "Shrinkage" Repair |
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I saw where someone was selling little 'plugs' to extend the ends, and was dreading that option.
Very excited there's a clean & proper method to fix this blemish!
Did Westfalia glue it in? I wonder if the pin-nailer scheme will work.
Also it seems prudent to measure the lengths that you need to stretch it before pulling it out.
So if it's 10mm short on each end, then when you have it out, you stretch it 20mm longer _________________
'90 Westy EJ25, NEW oil rings (!) 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered gearbox
....KTMs, GasGas, SPOT mtb |
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dobryan Samba Member
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65Tops Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2020 8:37 pm Post subject: Re: Cabinet T-Moulding "Shrinkage" Repair |
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Sodo wrote: |
Can you heat it and make it go back where it belongs without pulling it out of the T-slot? |
I remember trying that but was worried about the heat melting something else. If your careful you probably could peel back a foot or so and work on it. Its pretty easy to remove the moldings and also gives you the opportunity to really clean them well. _________________ 89 Vanagon 2.1 WBX Westy Camper "Spanky" |
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