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rokcrln
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 Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 7:42 pm Post subject: What cooling tin's for a T4 motor in a Type3? |
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Ok we are moving ahead and now we have the T3 (64 Notch) and the T4 motor out of a camper Bus. The motor is a 2.0L and I want it to cool as well as posible. So what do we need as far as cooling tin and fan schroud (sp?)? I have two or three sets of T3 stuff and one complete T4 set up. What have people done for this? What works the best?
Thanks for the input!
Kevin
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Nothing is interchangable. Just use the Type 4 shrouding and stuff.
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Zarana-X wrote: |
| Nothing is interchangable. Just use the Type 4 shrouding and stuff. |
Yup, that's the way I'm going with mine. I am going to do a convserion boot to get the air into the engine though. I've already got both sides, so it should be a little easier. 
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rokcrln
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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That is what I thought as well. But before I made a air duct and boot I thought I would ask. At least I am on the same page 
Thanks guys!
Kevin
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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I have read where a leather boot has been made to fit the Type 3 body housing to the Type 4 cooling tin...
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There is a 411/412 wagon only, flange that bolts onto the fanshroud so a boot can be used to get cool air into the shroud. NO the stock type3 boot won't work. I've been told the stock 411/412 wagon boot will fit but haven't found one, so I can't confirm. This is at least a good starting point for fabricating a boot. They are hard to find but they are out there. Parting out type4 ads would probably be the most likely source. Remember, the fastback boot/flange won't work so don't waste your money.
I believe my only gallery pictures are shots of this part. So search my pics for an idea. |
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rokcrln
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:40 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Josh I will look that way as well. You have part #'s listed in your pics so that should help.
Kevin
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Bobnotch
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| josh wrote: |
| There is a 411/412 wagon only, flange that bolts onto the fanshroud so a boot can be used to get cool air into the shroud. NO the stock type3 boot won't work. I've been told the stock 411/412 wagon boot will fit but haven't found one, so I can't confirm. This is at least a good starting point for fabricating a boot. |
Yes, this the part I've got (both the flange and the boot), but the "body" side of the t-4 boot looks much smaller than the t-3 part. My plan was to merge the 2 parts together (t-3 & t-4 boots), and create the part I needed. 
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tomnotch
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http://tunacan.net/t4/tech/type3.shtml
read and absorb
btw, the t4 SB boot fits neatly inside the T3 body hole, almost like the factory kinda knew something.........
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Bobnotch
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| tomnotch wrote: |
| btw, the t4 SB boot fits neatly inside the T3 body hole, almost like the factory kinda knew something......... |
Cool, I learned something new today. Those are always good days. Would you recomend building an upper trans moount (attached to the body) or do you think a heavily modified t-3 engine hanger would work? I've got a t-3 one here that someone had badly butchered for full flow that I thought about reconstructing, and I've got a cast Iron t-4 mount (2 bolt style), that I'm using as a fab guide. This IS going into an AT car, if that helps. Sorry for the thread hi-jack. 
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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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| Bobnotch wrote: |
| tomnotch wrote: |
| btw, the t4 SB boot fits neatly inside the T3 body hole, almost like the factory kinda knew something......... |
Cool, I learned something new today. Those are always good days. Would you recomend building an upper trans moount (attached to the body) or do you think a heavily modified t-3 engine hanger would work? I've got a t-3 one here that someone had badly butchered for full flow that I thought about reconstructing, and I've got a cast Iron t-4 mount (2 bolt style), that I'm using as a fab guide. This IS going into an AT car, if that helps. Sorry for the thread hi-jack. |
I would look at the way the T-2 automatic mounts. Or spread the load out to the shock tower area.
I think ISPWest has something.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Russ Wolfe wrote: |
| Bobnotch wrote: |
| tomnotch wrote: |
| btw, the t4 SB boot fits neatly inside the T3 body hole, almost like the factory kinda knew something......... |
Cool, I learned something new today. Those are always good days. Would you recomend building an upper trans moount (attached to the body) or do you think a heavily modified t-3 engine hanger would work? I've got a t-3 one here that someone had badly butchered for full flow that I thought about reconstructing, and I've got a cast Iron t-4 mount (2 bolt style), that I'm using as a fab guide. This IS going into an AT car, if that helps. Sorry for the thread hi-jack. |
I would look at the way the T-2 automatic mounts. Or spread the load out to the shock tower area.
I think ISPWest has something. |
Thanks for the recomendation Russ. I guess I'll be tapping some holes into the AT, so I can add some mounting studs.
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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rokcrln
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My Notch has teh wish bone tranny mount that the 901 will be geting mounted and strapped to. Then the motor will get the rear mount that will be built into the roll cage mounting feet. The more I look at the t3 and t4 fan housings it should be real easy to fab a factory looking boot/mount. Thanks to all for the input.
Kevin
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tomnotch
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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Mounts should be a seperate topic.
and I have something to share on them.
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rokcrln
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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Well we have covered the tin issue! So how bout them mounts? 
Kevin
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 11:35 am Post subject: |
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Try this place for some T4 parts:
http://www.volksrepair.com/page/page/1556665.htm
I stopped by there last week while in the area, and they have at least 2 T4 wagons in the back... don';t know if they'll part them out or if they have loose parts off other cars. |
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| I've been told the stock 411/412 wagon boot will fit but haven't found one, so I can't confirm. |
Hello,
One of the parts cars I had recently had a stock T4 air bellow instead of the normal one.
All I can say it was a perfect fit !
I liked it better than the T3 one - no brides !
I don't know it was reversed as opposed to the "normal" installation way in a T4.
I mean small hole to big hole at the engine or big hole to a smaller hole at the engine (stock T3)
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:03 pm Post subject: try the stock |
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| i used a stock t-3 bellow coupled with a t-4 wagon shrould and was able to make it fit. |
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rokcrln
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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After looking at for abit I will be using the t3 billow and a t4 shroud with a custom sheet metal tin the same shape as a t3 tin. It will be a bit of work but not that bad for what the finished product will be.
Kevin
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Sorry to hijack your thread and ask a completely rediculous question, but....drumroll, If i was to put a type 4 motor in say a TYPE 34 (not my 63) would i have to do cutting if i wanted to run dual carbs? Is there a 2 barrel that would fit under the engine cover with a filter and get enough airflow? I found a pretty good deal on a type 4 motor and a ratty type 34 to mount it up in.
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