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rotorbugg
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rotorbugg
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rotorbugg
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dubsquared
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nope... all the imports are 5x114.3
It's actually the domestic cars that run the 5x115... late 80s early 90s GM and some newer Chrysler/Dodge stuff.
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rotorbugg
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| dubsquared wrote: |
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Most of the imports use a 5x115 pattern and there IS a difference. |
Sorry man, but that is just plain wrong.
Not trying to get int an argumant about it, but I hate to see all of these people get bad information. |
Sorry. I did not mean that "most import vehicles use the 5x115 pattern". I was trying to say that on imports, rather than 5x114,3 it will be 5x115, and that there IS a difference in these two sizes. I should have been clearer.
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So your saying 5x114.3 isn't found on any import, or just the ones I mentioned? |
Most of the imports use a 5x115 pattern and there IS a difference. Not enough to keep you from bolting on a set... Most cars that used 5x114.3 and 5x115s use hubs to center the wheel, but different sizes. A/C VW drums don't use a hub to center the wheel (rotors must have the vw hubs machined off) so you are relying on the lugs to center the wheel. It is advised to use the correct pattern in this case to avoid balance/vibration issues. The difference is an average of 14 thousandths per lug, which IMO is a lot. |
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Joel
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Is it even possible to drill a 4x100 into the 'meat' of the standard 4x130 drum/disc and not compromise strength?
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i did this with mine and so have many others
works out well tapped for 12mm cos theres is actually more meat there than further out where the 130mm original holes are
abit difficult to press in studs tho cos the webbing is on an angle so the head wont bare down flush all the way around
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sharkskinman
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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dont give info unless its Fact or opinion
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Wikipedia
The most common PCD values are 100 mm and 114.3 mm. This difference arises from the manufacturers' measurement convention - whether they are designing around metric values (100 mm) or imperial values (4.5 inches, i.e. 114.3 mm). |
Not to mention
5x100,108, 110, 112, 114.3, and 120
then Porsche is 5x130 -i think
But know that you can find Almost Any tuner wheel with a variety of lug patterns
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dubsquared
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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Most of the imports use a 5x115 pattern and there IS a difference. |
Sorry man, but that is just plain wrong.
Not trying to get int an argumant about it, but I hate to see all of these people get bad information.
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sharkskinman
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| Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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cip1 has them
you can get 4x130, 4x100, 5x205(drums), and a porsche /chevy 5 lug combo
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DORIGTT
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Is it even possible to drill a 4x100 into the 'meat' of the standard 4x130 drum/disc and not compromise strength?
What about drilling into the non-ribbed section? It's not reinforced, so how much of an issue will I have with running alot of torque through it?
Does anyone sell blanks that are pretty thick to allow us to drill whatever bolt pattern we want without having to be concerned about strength?
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sharkskinman
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sweet wheels on the bug
thinking something like this
dont know if they will look Just like that,
but to scale those gotta be like 19" or 20"s
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rotorbugg
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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| The best move is to drill a 4x100 pattern right under the existing 4x130 holes (not in between them) so that you are drilling into the original bosses. (the thick part) 4x100 wheels are easy to come by too. |
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sharkskinman
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:29 am Post subject: |
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so the 5x114 or so pattern IsNot easy to drill into drums,
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that the Press in Studs might Not be a good idea on rear drums
but it is easy to redrill a 4 lug pattern into them correct?
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rotorbugg
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:30 am Post subject: |
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drilling would be better
you could press in studs
and it wont offset the wheels
from the adapters
any Pics of Pressed in studs??
anyone?? |
I hear that the back side of the drum face (inside) is not flat and therefore makes press in studs not so good. |
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rotorbugg
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:21 am Post subject: |
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| Soul wrote: |
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| That Pattern is Mazda, Toyota, and some Nissan if your working on the metric system. Or just your standard Ford, Jeep/Dodge bolt pattern. |
5x114.3 is really 5 on 4½". It is NOT for any Toyota, Mazda, or Nissan, it is from one of the American 3. |
So your saying 5x114.3 isn't found on any import, or just the ones I mentioned? |
Most of the imports use a 5x115 pattern and there IS a difference. Not enough to keep you from bolting on a set... Most cars that used 5x114.3 and 5x115s use hubs to center the wheel, but different sizes. A/C VW drums don't use a hub to center the wheel (rotors must have the vw hubs machined off) so you are relying on the lugs to center the wheel. It is advised to use the correct pattern in this case to avoid balance/vibration issues. The difference is an average of 14 thousandths per lug, which IMO is a lot.
I just got a set of 17x7s for my 68 in 5x4.5, and that appears to not have been the best move. I had not read the post above, that you can not redrill 4 lug drums to it, and all of the shops I called have templates for Porsche patterns and maybe Chevy. I'm going to try Moser; they seem to be my last hope. If anyone else knows who can drill 4x4.5 please throw me a frickin bone!
I haven't given up on my stock drums yet... Perhaps I could cut a VW lug to the thickness of the drum face, thread it in and weld it up. Maybe I could beef up the area in between the original bosses too. Eventually I'll go discs all around, but I'd rather not spend much to get these wheels on in the mean time.
Here is a pic of the wheels on reefreshd_jive's 63. (not mine) |
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Soul
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| Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| That Pattern is Mazda, Toyota, and some Nissan if your working on the metric system. Or just your standard Ford, Jeep/Dodge bolt pattern. |
5x114.3 is really 5 on 4½". It is NOT for any Toyota, Mazda, or Nissan, it is from one of the American 3. |
So your saying 5x114.3 isn't found on any import, or just the ones I mentioned? |
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Bruce
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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but wanting to redrill 4x130 to 4x114 OR 4x100
so couldnt i use atleast one of the holes
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There is only one 4 bolt pattern you can overlay onto a 4x130 drum and still use at least one hole. That pattern is 4x130.
If you want to use 4x100 or any other 4 bolt pattern, drill it in between the existing 4x130 pattern.
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sharkskinman
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:49 am Post subject: |
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ford mustang
chrysler cars
its a very common bolt pattern
but wanting to redrill 4x130 to 4x114 OR 4x100
so couldnt i use atleast one of the holes
prob going to get blanks and drill for BOTH the 100 and the 114
take 8 lugs per tire
ha
???just dont like the look of the open holes
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Bruce
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| Soul wrote: |
| That Pattern is Mazda, Toyota, and some Nissan if your working on the metric system. Or just your standard Ford, Jeep/Dodge bolt pattern. |
5x114.3 is really 5 on 4½". It is NOT for any Toyota, Mazda, or Nissan, it is from one of the American 3.
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| Soul wrote: |
That Pattern is Mazda, Toyota, and some Nissan if your working on the metric system. Or just your standard Ford, Jeep/Dodge bolt pattern.
I've got a set of American Racing Fuch in the above metioned pattern. I didn't want to convert to rear disc but it looks as if that's the only choice. Blank drums are a PITA to find. Back in the day Jaytech use to carry them. |
Aw man that brings back memories. They used to have the link pin drop spindles with ball joint snout so you could run porsche pattern redrilled late model drums and ghia b/j disc brakes on a linkpin beam.
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