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61 BUS 
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 Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:28 am Post subject: Best Quality Floor Pans? |
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I've come to the realization that my '74 is going to need a set of new floor pans  I searched the Ghia forum looking for information on the different suppliers, and didn't find any recent posts comparing the quality of replacement pans, or what guage steel is available. I checked out KGPR and saw that they have pans from Denmark that are 19 guage. I also see that in the Ghia parts section on this site that there is a seller claiming to have pans that are from Denmark that are 16 guage. Any comments or information would be appreciated. Thanks! 
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72Ghia
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I picked up a set made by Gersen . I think the company is KlassicFab?
I was told these were handmade. Very heavy gauge compared to most repops. There were a few minor issues I had to take care of ie: some trimming excess metal around the back, creating clearance for the bottom of the brake pedal to clear, bracket for gas pedal stop, determining seat track locations, seat belt bracket locations and jack bracket locations. Not sure if the other reproductions already have these installed or give you any clues for locations. I do know none of them come with new seat tracks.
The pair shown were purchased for $150 for both from the Samba classifieds. Not sure what Gersen charges.
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61 BUS
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Wow, that was a smokin' deal. I'll check out their web site.
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danielsan
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| Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Impressive. I wish someone would make pans with the tracks, brake stop and seat belt provisions in place . . . |
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72Ghia
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Loren
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| I don't think Classic Fab is making Ghia pans yet. I think the above pair was made to order and only one or a few sets were made. Hopefully, Gerson will make more sets as his are likely the best repros out there. Getting the Classic Fab pans for $150 was a steal as I imagine they were originally double that or more. The Denmark reproductions don't have the same stampings as the originals and there are some seams at tight bends that need to be welded together. The Denmark pans seem to fit nicley and are as thick as the originals. |
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myb356
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| I *think* that The Klassic Fab pans are only available in early model style and all other repros were later style. The differences are small and inconsequential to the average enthusiast, but some people might care. |
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Gerson
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we are not making ghia pans yet, it will be a while, the demand has to be there, and right now, I do not see it.......if I get 50 to 75 interested folks with cash in hand, it might happen sooner than later.......doub it.....but hey, you never know.... 
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You scored...Those are nice...They even have original stamping. Bravo...You should feel VERY good about that purchase... 
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61 BUS
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Thanks for the info guys!
I noticed when I was on the KGPR site, as well as the CIP1 and some other suppliers sites, that there seem to be two different variants for the floor pans. The Danish full-length pans and the 1/4 pans, which don't specifically state they're Danish and look completely different than the full pans. My pans are rusty at the bottom, but the part around the heater channels and where the seat brackets mount are still in pretty good shape, so I was not planning on taking the body off, but cutting out the rusty bottoms and trimming the new pans to fit around the perimeter and then welding the new pans to the old, good metal. Should I still get the Danish pans and trim them, or should I go with the 1/4 pans? 
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| You scored...Those are nice...They even have original stamping. Bravo...You should feel VERY good about that purchase... |
Yes, but I've made some not so good purchases too..lol. So as the saying goes "it all comes out in the wash." |
You ain't kiddin...Me too. 
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72Ghia
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Thanks for the info guys!
I noticed when I was on the KGPR site, as well as the CIP1 and some other suppliers sites, that there seem to be two different variants for the floor pans. The Danish full-length pans and the 1/4 pans, which don't specifically state they're Danish and look completely different than the full pans. My pans are rusty at the bottom, but the part around the heater channels and where the seat brackets mount are still in pretty good shape, so I was not planning on taking the body off, but cutting out the rusty bottoms and trimming the new pans to fit around the perimeter and then welding the new pans to the old, good metal. Should I still get the Danish pans and trim them, or should I go with the 1/4 pans? |
I'm not quite sure what you want to do but the full sections are probably meant as full replacements. If it's possible to get what you need from the 1/4 section , I'd probably go that route. Might help to check out the "bug me" DVD on pan repair . They show pan repair with both body on & body off. Performed on a Beetle but it's the same procedure as Ghia
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| ... the 1/4 pans, which don't specifically state they're Danish and look completely different than the full pans. My pans are rusty at the bottom, but the part around the heater channels and where the seat brackets mount are still in pretty good shape, ...planning on cutting out the rusty bottoms and trimming the new pans to fit around the perimeter and then welding the new pans to the old, good metal. Should I still get the Danish pans and trim them, or should I go with the 1/4 pans? |
The front quarter pans I've seen are basically flat with no upturned
edges. The rear quarter pans do have some formed edges on them. Made by TABCO in the USA and certainly thicker than the
full Danish pans. They would work for a repair as you described
as long as the metal around the perimeter of your original
pans is in good shape.
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Great news. Well done Gerson.
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| People were asking for these, so here they are, EARLY ghia pans, these are hand made pans, right now we have 5 sets made, depending on demand we will make more......these are big, heavy pieces, cold rolled 18 gauge, nice and thick!!!!fix your ghia right, use the correct floors... |
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1310179[/quote]
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| The Denmark pans are 19 gauge and are pretty well priced on KGPR. None of the pans come with seat belt points, jack points, or seat tracks. I purchased both sides for about 350 shipped. I cut out old pans and welded new pans in. Yes there is trimming, of course there is trimming its not a bolt on affair. But they are good quality. I recommend them. All the pans on all the websites are the same exact ones. With the exception of the Klassicfabs. |
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| The Klassicfab pans (or at least this one) appears to have the bolt holes pre-drilled...do you have to drill out those holes on the Denmark pans? |
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but still probably not a bad deal. Keep a check on those classifieds !
