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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 2:19 pm Post subject: Front Bumper & Rear Bumper ID T2 |
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68-71 and 72 rear bumper hole measurements
72 only Bumper gravel guard/ Muffler cover plate
73-79 Bumper gravel guard/ Muffler cover plate
68-69 Bumper trim front
68-69 Bumper trim rear
70-72 Deco trim front and rear
70-72 Deco trim front and rear
70-72 Deco trim molding front
70-72 Rear Bumper Deco trim, molding
68-72 Front & 68-71 Rear Bumper
68-72 Front and 68-71 Rear Bumper
Rear bumper stabilizing bracket. With or without splash pan.
I could not find these in the parts manuals. Busdaddy said "They are the same from 1968-72".
68-72 Front Bumper Step Pad and Seal Beading
68-72 Front Bumper Ambulance for fog lights RARE
68-72 Emergency vehicle front bumper. Note the bumper brackets are longer and bent at more of an angle, to raise the bumper. The side steps are different as well.
72 only rear bumper brackets
72 only rear bumper brackets
72 only Rear Bumper brackets
72 only Rear Bumper compared to 68-71, 68-71 Bumper on top, 72 on bottom
72 only Rear Bumper Splash Pans
73-79 Front Bumper
73-79 Front Bumper
73-79 Front Bumper Mounting
73-79 Front bumper with fog light holes for Emergency vehicles.
73-74 Rear Bumper 4 hole
75-79 Rear Bumper 3 hole 211 707 311 K, 75-79
75-79 Rear Bumper 3 hole 211 707 311 K, 75-79
Late Bumper Strip
Thanks to ratwell.com
http://www.jerseylooker.com/FicheDump/EarlyBaywindow/7-013.jpg
http://www.jerseylooker.com/FicheDump/EarlyBaywindow/7-014.jpg
http://www.jerseylooker.com/FicheDump/EarlyBaywindow/7-015.jpg
http://www.jerseylooker.com/FicheDump/LateBaywindow/055-00-7-004.jpg
http://www.jerseylooker.com/FicheDump/LateBaywindow/056-00-7-005.jpg
http://www.jerseylooker.com/FicheDump/LateBaywindow/056-00-7-006.jpg
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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Tcash - gotta hand it to you. When you first started doing all these posts with photos etc I asked myself - gee how long I wonder will this last, and how thorough will these be? How accurate will they be?
Well - the work you have done - photos, quotes on subjects, putting it together in one place is really a good thing and I would like to commend you for the time you take to help others here. I seriously doubt there is another forum, of any kind, in the world that has more detail than the Bay forum.
This thread with the bumpers is excellent.
Steve _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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Wasted youth Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2012 Posts: 5134 Location: California's Hot and Smoggy Central Valley
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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Porn. Purveyor, thereof: Volkswagen standing in awe.
Didn't know that baywindows had a deco strip option, didn't know about fog light punch outs for ambulances, never saw a comparing photo of 1972 bumper to early bumper, and I didn't know about the late bay bumper strip, nor about the different hardware spacing on early baywindow bumpers.
Thank you very much! |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16863 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: Front Bumper & Rear Bumper ID |
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Tcash wrote: |
----------------Front Bumper & Rear Bumper ID-----------------
68-72 Bumper gravel guard
68-72 Front & 68-71 Rear Bumper
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your first pic is for later buses, 73 up? I know I have never seen them on a 68-72. it is possible that it started on the 72
the second pic, your text is reversed for the brackets. the fronts are on the left, rears on the right.
that's all I got keep up the good work. you are the man!
if/when you make the correction, let me know and I will delete this post so it won't clutter your thread _________________
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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Wasted youth Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2012 Posts: 5134 Location: California's Hot and Smoggy Central Valley
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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The gravel guard notes escaped me. My 1968 and 1970 baywindows are not so equipped, my 1973 has it, but my 1977 did not...but I cannot say the 1977 was simply missing. |
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22449 Location: Escondido CA
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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SGKent wrote: |
Tcash - gotta hand it to you. When you first started doing all these posts with photos etc I asked myself - gee how long I wonder will this last, and how thorough will these be? How accurate will they be?
Well - the work you have done - photos, quotes on subjects, putting it together in one place is really a good thing and I would like to commend you for the time you take to help others here. I seriously doubt there is another forum, of any kind, in the world that has more detail than the Bay forum.
This thread with the bumpers is excellent.
Steve |
X2 - I remember complaining to Everett that there was some guy posting up info that was already out there.
I had to wait and see the method to the madness
Good work Mr Cash. _________________
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OK, this thread is over. You win. |
Jason "notchboy" Weigel
1964 1500 S
1964 T34 S Convertible
1977 Westfalia Camper pop-top |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51128 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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notchboy wrote: |
Good work Mr Cash. |
X3 or 4 or whatever
Early bays didn't have the gravel guard, it's a 72+ thing. 72 (like many other parts) is a one year only item, later ones interchange up to 79. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
Please don't PM technical questions, ask your problem in public so everyone can play along. If you think it's too stupid post it here
Stop dead photo links! Post your photos to The Samba Gallery!
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19BUG70 Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2006 Posts: 74 Location: Livermore, California
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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This is great, thanks. _________________ 1970 Bug (sold 12/2014)
1972 Riviera Camper
1961 Bug (sold)
1966 Fastback TL |
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you all, I appreciate the kind words.
Edited original post. |
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19BUG70 Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2006 Posts: 74 Location: Livermore, California
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:21 am Post subject: |
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Is there any specific information for the uprights on the 68-72? _________________ 1970 Bug (sold 12/2014)
1972 Riviera Camper
1961 Bug (sold)
1966 Fastback TL |
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:16 am Post subject: |
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19BUG70 wrote: |
Is there any specific information for the uprights on the 68-72? |
Bumper Guards |
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djdh68dlux Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2005 Posts: 770 Location: I.E., SoCal
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:13 am Post subject: Re: Front Bumper & Rear Bumper ID |
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Tcash wrote: |
68-72 Deco trim front and rear
68-72 Deco trim front and rear
68-72 Deco trim molding front
68-72 Rear Bumper Deco trim, molding |
There's actually 2 styles of these, early & late (even though they were nearly all on "early" bays). I'm not sure what year between 68-72 they changed. The earlier ones are a rounded rubber insert, more like the ones found on split buses where the later ones are flat like the ones pictured here. Here's pics of the ones on my 1968 German Clipper. Even still, awesome of Tcash to put all this together. Great resource!
_________________ 1968 Deluxe "Clipper L" Type 2
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:55 pm Post subject: Re: Front Bumper & Rear Bumper ID |
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djdh68dlux wrote: |
There's actually 2 styles of these, early & late (even though they were nearly all on "early" bays). I'm not sure what year between 68-72 they changed. The earlier ones are a rounded rubber insert, more like the ones found on split buses where the later ones are flat like the ones pictured here. Here's pics of the ones on my 1968 German Clipper. Even still, awesome of Tcash to put all this together. Great resource!
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Thank you, edited original post. |
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jtauxe Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2004 Posts: 5780 Location: Los Alamos, New Mexico
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:37 am Post subject: |
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I don't know how many details or variations you wish to include, but the bumpers on my 1975 single cab are a bit different. They have mounting holes for fog lights, for one. I could take photos and post them here if there is interest.
Also, on my 1978 double cab, the bumper mounts in the rear have three mounting holes, to accommodate the original Euro hitch. _________________ John
"Travelling in a fried-out Kombi, on a hippie trail, head full of zombie..." - Colin Hay and Ron Strykert
http://vw.tauxe.net
1969 Transporter, 1971 Westfalia, 1976, 1977, 1976, 1977, 1971, 1973, 1977 Westfalias,
1979 Champagne Sunroof, 1974 Westfalia Automatic, 1979 Transporter, 1972 Sportsmobile, 1973 Transporter Wild Westerner, 1974 Westfalia parts bus, 1975 Mexican single cab *FOR SALE*, 1978 Irish 4-door double cab RHD
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:47 am Post subject: |
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jtauxe wrote: |
I don't know how many details or variations you wish to include, but the bumpers on my 1975 single cab are a bit different. They have mounting holes for fog lights, for one. I could take photos and post them here if there is interest.
Also, on my 1978 double cab, the bumper mounts in the rear have three mounting holes, to accommodate the original Euro hitch. |
Please do.
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jtauxe Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2004 Posts: 5780 Location: Los Alamos, New Mexico
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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Photo of rear fog light in its factory mounting hole on the rear bumper of a 1975 single cab with the Z21 package:
Photo of the rear bumper on that same 1975 single cab, showing the interesting flat spot, with holes in it, on the center underside of the bumper:
I do not believe this pickup ever had a hitch, but it could have perhaps. But, even so, did VW ever have a hitch that attached to the bumper this way? _________________ John
"Travelling in a fried-out Kombi, on a hippie trail, head full of zombie..." - Colin Hay and Ron Strykert
http://vw.tauxe.net
1969 Transporter, 1971 Westfalia, 1976, 1977, 1976, 1977, 1971, 1973, 1977 Westfalias,
1979 Champagne Sunroof, 1974 Westfalia Automatic, 1979 Transporter, 1972 Sportsmobile, 1973 Transporter Wild Westerner, 1974 Westfalia parts bus, 1975 Mexican single cab *FOR SALE*, 1978 Irish 4-door double cab RHD
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72vwtype2 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:48 am Post subject: |
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Besides comparing different bumper measurements and characteristics, were the bumpers not date stamped? VW seemed to date stamp most parts. My 58 beetle bumper blade is stamped in the middle. I can't seem to find the same stamp on my bus bumpers, but then they are fairly scuffed up and rusty. |
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vworwhat Samba Member
Joined: June 10, 2009 Posts: 195 Location: Denmark
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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I was wondering, does the original bumper trim have imprinted vw spare part numbers and vw logo? Or are there any obvious differences between f.ex. original 70-72 trim and repro trim? _________________ Westfalia Helsinki 6/77
Winter bus 5/74
Earlybay 7 seater deluxe 11/69
Type3 9/63 1500N M264 panel |
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 6:59 am Post subject: Re: Front Bumper & Rear Bumper ID T2 |
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weserclipper wrote: |
djdh68dlux wrote: |
The way I understand it is that ALL deluxes were called Clippers, but the special ones are the Clipper L (German Clipper). The cool bumper trim, extra chrome strips on interior panels, jail bars, chrome luggage bar on rear seat, clock in the dash, all features of the Clipper L. There's actually two different kinds of the bumper trim. The early Clipper L's (68-69) had this style, which resembles the trim that early splitty deluxes had:
The 70/71 Clipper L's, the bumper trim is more flattened out, where the early ones are rounded. I think those repro ones are the later style, if I'm thinking of the same ones you're talking about. |
Hi djdh68dlux,
yes, you're right.
at least I got and added the cool bumper trim on my bus and now it's more a twin to the sold Clipper L of Phil.
It's the newer, bigger and more flattened trim – correct for my 1971 Clipper.
Greetings from Bremen / Germany
Olli |
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jtauxe Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2004 Posts: 5780 Location: Los Alamos, New Mexico
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 7:19 am Post subject: |
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busdaddy wrote: |
Early bays didn't have the gravel guard, it's a 72+ thing. 72 (like many other parts) is a one year only item, later ones interchange up to 79. |
Can confirm. The 1972 Sportsmobile that I just sold to Ryan in Florida has the original gravel guard. _________________ John
"Travelling in a fried-out Kombi, on a hippie trail, head full of zombie..." - Colin Hay and Ron Strykert
http://vw.tauxe.net
1969 Transporter, 1971 Westfalia, 1976, 1977, 1976, 1977, 1971, 1973, 1977 Westfalias,
1979 Champagne Sunroof, 1974 Westfalia Automatic, 1979 Transporter, 1972 Sportsmobile, 1973 Transporter Wild Westerner, 1974 Westfalia parts bus, 1975 Mexican single cab *FOR SALE*, 1978 Irish 4-door double cab RHD
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