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DamDude Samba Member
Joined: December 20, 2014 Posts: 2 Location: Central Calif.
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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 5:41 pm Post subject: Street Legal Buggy not Welcome in Nevada |
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I recently took my street registered (in California) Manx type buggy to Laughlin Nevada. While driving in a very legal manner I was pulled over by the local police. The officer informed me that my car was not legal to operate in Nevada. This officer was not very forthcoming with information as to why it was illegal to operate my car there. I was shocked by what he was telling me, being from California and dealing with all of the hurdles we offroaders have to deal with, I didn't expect this in Nevada.
Has anyone else ran into this problem and have you found a solution to get around the problem.
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Dr OnHolliday Samba Member
Joined: May 11, 2012 Posts: 1215 Location: was Escondido now San Berdoo
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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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Don't be shocked if you determine he's full of it... _________________ 1965 Type 1 sunroof Baja / about 70k miles on self-rebuilt '74 1600 and counting / SP heads and aftermarket valve keepers / non-doghouse shroud with external cooler and filter / 1.5 qt extended sump / Weber 32/36 DFAV progressive carb / 009 dist with Pertronix / 1.25 ratio rockers and ball adjusters / 1.5" stainless steel J-pipes and carbon steel baja exhaust |
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jsturtlebuggy Samba Member
Joined: August 24, 2005 Posts: 4496 Location: Fair Oaks/Orangevale, CA
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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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I have friends that live across the river and drive their Tow'd all the time over the Laughlin without any problems.
What does your buggy look like? Tires under fenders or sticking completely out of fenders? Loud exhaust? Do you look like a kid? Just thinking why he would stop you.
There should be no hassle if you are from another state and just visiting not living there. _________________ Joseph
Fair Oaks/Orangevale, CA
Elrod Motorsports
Motion Tire Motorsports
Having fun with Dune Buggies since 1970
Into Volkswagens since 1960 |
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gt1953 Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2002 Posts: 13850 Location: White Mountains Arizona
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Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 9:48 am Post subject: |
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Did you get a citation? Did you have all of your papers in order? Did you get the name and badge number of the officer? _________________ Volkswagen: We tune what we drive.
Numbers Matching VW's are getting harder to find. Source out the most Stock vehicle and keep that way. You will be glad you did.
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drscope Samba Member
Joined: February 19, 2007 Posts: 15273 Location: Baltimore, Maryland USA
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Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:33 am Post subject: |
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i think the cop is just full of crap.
I believe that if your vehicle is legally registered in any state, that you can also legally operate it in any other state. There are some restrictions regarding noise that sometimes come into play.
You may not be able to get it registered in that state, but if it is registered in a different state i don't think there is anything they can do about it.
The officer is sworn to uphold the law. So if he is correct, he should have had your vehicle impounded and not allowed you to go on your way. Did he write you a ticket? _________________ Mother Nature is a Mean Evil Bitch! |
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DamDude Samba Member
Joined: December 20, 2014 Posts: 2 Location: Central Calif.
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Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the replies. The officer had no go reason to pull me over, I have a good muffler (Forest Service Approved), I've got more gray hair than brown, I was driving slow, and I have current tags. He did not ask for my drivers license, registration, or insurance.
It would be nice if someone from Nevada law enforcement would chime in on this. |
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hitest Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2008 Posts: 10296 Location: Prime Meridian, ID
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Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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Honestly, I believe he pulled you over because he was having a bad day, and you looked like you were having more fun. I had the same thing happen twice in the 30 years I've had my Thing (orange, top down, debauchery, etc.). No ticket, just to add a bummer to my day. Same thing one summer evening in my dune buggy. A safety walk around, because we looked like we were having more fun than he.
I hate to bring this up, but specialty or off road vehicles that are riddled with Military or Veteran related stickers/markers NEVER get pulled over in Boise- regardless of how insanely illegal they are set up (I am talking about mny jeeps and crawlers here). There are lifted, fenderless everythings here in town. _________________
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vdubyah73 Samba Member
Joined: July 05, 2003 Posts: 2541 Location: somewhere in Texas, my house has wheels
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 2:51 am Post subject: |
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If you are legal in your state you are legal in all 50 states, PERIOD. It's called reciprocity. They can't touch you. I own a class A RV and belong to RV forums. Some states require a non CDL class B sometimes A determined bt weight and weight of trailer. Think a Prevost bus conversion with a 10000 lb trailer. If your home state does not require the non CDL A or B license you don't need one for any state, even when another state requires one. If your home state does not require a license plate for a tow dolly you don't need one anywhere either. If a cop starts giving you grief about it ask him for his ID and request He contact his supervisor as he needs extra instruction. I have informed 3 different cops in my life that they were wrong and that I was calling the police on them, the shock on their faces was priceless. One was a DMV cop, one was a local and one was a trooper. I ended up friends with the DMV cop. The local cop was scolded like a schoolboy, in public by the state trooper responding to my call and the encounter with the state trooper got sketchy with both of us shouting for an ID from each other. I asked him who would look more foolish if I called for back up and he calmed down.
True stories, not all driving related.
Bill _________________ burning down the house
73 bounty hunter, sold.
'77 transporter, junked had crotch rot.
Dubless, but have a CPR built stroker waiting for a new to me Beetle
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34023 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:15 am Post subject: |
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I don't disagree with any of the posts above, but in looking at the photos, I see a couple of things (or don't see, as the case may be), that might have led him to believe it shouldn't be registered, even in Cali. I don't see turn signals in this side-only view; are they installed? Also, those fenders may be undersized for a street car with those larger tires. These are valid safety-related issues that would justify his pulling you over to investigate.
It's not his jurisdiction to second guess Cali DMV, but he may have assumed it was not street legal in Cali based on these appearances, and pulled you over assuming you had taken an off-road car on the street.
Then out of embarrassment he felt the need to BS you about it not being legal. |
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drscope Samba Member
Joined: February 19, 2007 Posts: 15273 Location: Baltimore, Maryland USA
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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The fact that he stopped you but he did not ask for your drivers license, registration, or insurance is strange.
The ONLY times I have ever had anything like that happen was when the cop just wanted to see the car up close and talk about it, not when they wanted to hassle me. And that always started out with "You didn't do anything wrong, I just wanted a closer look at that cool thing". _________________ Mother Nature is a Mean Evil Bitch! |
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Jon Schmid Samba Member
Joined: May 29, 2012 Posts: 2039 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 2:21 pm Post subject: Street Legal Buggy not Welcome in Nevada |
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drscope wrote: |
The ONLY times I have ever had anything like that happen was when the cop just wanted to see the car up close and talk about it, not when they wanted to hassle me. And that always started out with "You didn't do anything wrong, I just wanted a closer look at that cool thing". |
That happened to my dad years ago. He got pulled over in his 356 and couldn't understand why until the cop walked up and offered to buy his car. |
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vwracerdave Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15313 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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No windshield wipers. No side marker parking lights or turn signals. A spark arrester is not a muffler. Does it have a horn? What about reverse lights? _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
2010 Sportsman ET Champion - Mid-America Dragway - Arkansas City, KS
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enjoyther1de Samba Member
Joined: December 19, 2010 Posts: 1279 Location: chino,ca
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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vwracerdave wrote: |
No windshield wipers. No side marker parking lights or turn signals. A spark arrester is not a muffler. Does it have a horn? What about reverse lights? |
All of which are requirements in the great socialist state of California. _________________ HBB took me to BBV. |
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AlteWagen Troll
Joined: February 23, 2007 Posts: 8504 Location: PNW
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hitest Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2008 Posts: 10296 Location: Prime Meridian, ID
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Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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Not brought up yet, but... Although Laughlin isn't exactly a 'border' town, I know this comes into play here in ID. For instance, ISP, especially near the OR border town of Ontario on I-84, knows the cannabis laws inside and out, just like the Moscow police, near the border of Pullman, WA, have a profound understanding of the same. My point is when a plate from a neighboring state comes over, there is an undeniable higher alert for legality. In our state's case, the lookout for pot- in yours: fun car.
I can hear the Laughlin Constabilary now...
"We don't stand for no Californicationers bringin' fun into OUR town..." _________________
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VOLKSWAGNUT Fastest VW Belt Changer
Joined: October 14, 2007 Posts: 11056 Location: Flippin' a Belt........ .... Off-n-On ... NC USA
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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 7:22 am Post subject: |
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I dread the day... when (not IF) we get pulled over in our Buggy.... or worse Operation X..
Im sure it wont be an all warm and fuzzy feeling...
Drive like you have sense (on the road), obey the rules of the road and try not to stick out of the crowd of modern cars.....
Bottom line... if you got something to hide.... better not drive the sore thumb..
or simply just take your chances... and expect to get pulled eventually
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Its your vehicle- stop askin' for approval-do what YOU like for cryin' out loud
Better to roll em' how you want and wear em' out-than lettin' em' rot out
Its about the going not the showing
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TMI Products Samba Member
Joined: February 14, 2014 Posts: 744 Location: Corona, Ca
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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:01 am Post subject: |
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I don't get when cops became smog police. I get pulled over in my mustang, they ask to open the hood, sure, I got nothing to hide. Then they say, "I don't see and carb stickers". Nope I don't need them, then they move on to find other infractions. My diesel, they crawl under to find a DPF filter _________________ Mario De Leon
1965 Turbo Mustang Fastback
1966 Type 3 Fastback
VW Division Sales Manager
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cpd419 Samba Member
Joined: November 19, 2014 Posts: 83 Location: Williamsburg, Ky
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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:48 am Post subject: |
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vdubyah73 wrote: |
If you are legal in your state you are legal in all 50 states, PERIOD. It's called reciprocity. They can't touch you. I own a class A RV and belong to RV forums. Some states require a non CDL class B sometimes A determined bt weight and weight of trailer. Think a Prevost bus conversion with a 10000 lb trailer. If your home state does not require the non CDL A or B license you don't need one for any state, even when another state requires one. If your home state does not require a license plate for a tow dolly you don't need one anywhere either. If a cop starts giving you grief about it ask him for his ID and request He contact his supervisor as he needs extra instruction. I have informed 3 different cops in my life that they were wrong and that I was calling the police on them, the shock on their faces was priceless. One was a DMV cop, one was a local and one was a trooper. I ended up friends with the DMV cop. The local cop was scolded like a schoolboy, in public by the state trooper responding to my call and the encounter with the state trooper got sketchy with both of us shouting for an ID from each other. I asked him who would look more foolish if I called for back up and he calmed down.
True stories, not all driving related.
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Not necessarily. Up until 10-15 years ago Tennessee did not require liability insurance. Kentucky did. If pulled over in ky your vehicle was towed. In Virginia window tint is illegal. Doesn't matter if you state allows it. _________________ 66 beetle |
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Dr OnHolliday Samba Member
Joined: May 11, 2012 Posts: 1215 Location: was Escondido now San Berdoo
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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:41 am Post subject: |
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Appropo of nothing, but my baja seems to be invisible to cops, and even if stopped, nothing but a warning occurs. "Cuteness" factor? _________________ 1965 Type 1 sunroof Baja / about 70k miles on self-rebuilt '74 1600 and counting / SP heads and aftermarket valve keepers / non-doghouse shroud with external cooler and filter / 1.5 qt extended sump / Weber 32/36 DFAV progressive carb / 009 dist with Pertronix / 1.25 ratio rockers and ball adjusters / 1.5" stainless steel J-pipes and carbon steel baja exhaust |
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21521 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 11:24 am Post subject: |
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TMI Products wrote: |
I don't get when cops became smog police. I get pulled over in my mustang, they ask to open the hood, sure, I got nothing to hide. Then they say, "I don't see and carb stickers". Nope I don't need them, then they move on to find other infractions. My diesel, they crawl under to find a DPF filter |
Actually they have always been smog police in virtually every state that has smog laws....and I have lived in a lot of states.
They just go about it in different ways
For instance with your mustang they are just showing their poor education about car types and years...which I will admit that with certain car brands and types they are starting to look so generic that I cant tell one year from another.
I would bet that if they saw your mustang they probably thought it was newere than it is....and if you have louder than stock or anything other than, stock equipment showing on what they thought was a newer vehicle.....they were going to try to pop you for having either improper non CARB cert equipment....or at minimum....having the manufactures carb stickers removed under the hood. Its cops trying to use existing laws to generate $.
In other states....almost all cars unless they are exempt by year, type or usage (farm or certain businesses).... have emmisions inspection decals. If yours are expired. ...you get pulled over and ticketed.
The only reason they ever ask something odd like looking under the car or hood in most states....is, if you are violating noise levels. Then.....when looking for equipment like open headers...they might dink you for expired emmissions.....or in some rather advanced areas.....if they note that your exhaust system has been modified North of the catalyst. ....they might, inquire WHERE you were able to procure a valid emissions decal.
They ask this because only experienced tuners (which is a lot of people here....but not your average ricer) will have software and hook ups to tune their engines to meet emmisions with a full on exhaust system change......and most of those that dont...get their emission inspection decal on the "black market".
This was the most common thing in Dallas and Houston. You can buy a bootleg decal for virtually anything for about $75-100.
In short. ....the cops have been enforcement for emmisions since day one. Its part of vehicle inspection and is taxed. Its an enforced requirement to drive....just like safety inspections and seat belt laws.....not an option. Ray |
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