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Fri Dec 06, 2024 3:07 pm

vwracerdave wrote: Changes are coming. Looks like the USPS may not be getting their EV's mandated by Biden. The USPS never wanted EV's.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportat...024-12-06/

The local Canoo EV manufacturing plant here in Oklahoma City is struggling and will probably file bankruptcy. They made 6 EV vans for the USPS.

https://www.autoweek.com/news/a63035236/canoo-electric-vans-finances/

Since I live in OKC I hate to see anything negative happening....but Canoo is junk. Not design wise. They had really interesting (not good looking) vehicles that had very useful features for work trucks and maximum space usage for small cargo vehicles.....but the electric part is what's worthless.

If they can take the same platform and put in a hybrid or gasoline/diesel power plant....they could easily stay in business.
Transverse leaf spring suspension that males for a perfectly flat cargo area. It's part of what the post office liked.

Ray
Their small cargo van like what the USPS might use....has a fairly unique

Fri Dec 06, 2024 4:04 pm

vwracerdave wrote: Changes are coming.
World wide changes, I just done like how these are being crammed down our throats for people that don't want them. The newest car I own is 25 years old now and still going strong. How many of these EV's will be around in 2050?

World Gasoline Phaseoutshttps://coltura.org/world-gasoline-phaseouts/

1. All 27 European Union (EU) countries have committed to ban the sale of new fossil-fuel cars by 2035. These countries are Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Republic of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain and Sweden.
2. 13 non-EU countries have signed onto A.2 of the COP26 declaration committing to all new cars being zero emissions by 2040. These countries are Azerbaijan, Canada, Cape Verde, Chile, El Salvador, Iceland, Israel, Liechtenstein, New Zealand, Norway, the Holy See, the United Kingdom, and Uruguay.
3. China (including Hong Kong and Macao) plans to make all new vehicles sold in 2035 "eco-friendly".
4. Egypt has a plan for no gas-fueled cars by 2040.
5. Ethiopia is the first country to try to ban ICE vehicles now - a decision was made that automobiles cannot enter Ethiopia unless they are electric ones.
6. Indonesia announced plans for all motorcycles sold from 2040 to be electric-powered, while all new cars sold from 2050 will be electric vehicles
7. Japan plans to ban sales of new gas cars (except hybrids) by 2035.
8. Malaysia has a net-zero emissions target by 2050.
7. Singapore has announced plans to ban registration of internal combustion cars and taxis by 2030 and phase out internal combustion vehicles by 2040.
8. South Korea plans to phase out internal combustion vehicles by 2035.
9. Sri Lanka is going a step further with a full road ban for combustion engine cars, tuk-tuks and motorcycles by 2040
10. Taiwan has announced a plan to phase out internal combustion vehicles by 2040.
11. Thailand has set a target for 2035 to make all new vehicles electric.
12. Vietnam has a target that all means of transportation run on green energy by 2050

These 14 countries are also working towards accelerated proliferation and adoption of zero-emission vehicles: Armenia, Colombia, the Dominican Republic, Ghana, India, Kenya, Mexico, Morocco, Nigeria, Pakistan Paraguay, Rwanda, Türkiye and Ukraine.

Fri Dec 06, 2024 4:24 pm

the_benjamin_effect wrote: vwracerdave wrote: Changes are coming.
...World wide changes...

1. All 27 European Union (EU) countries have committed to ban the sale of new fossil-fuel cars by 2035. These countries are Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Republic of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain and Sweden.

Countries with densely populated cities, with mostly only street parking, business on ground level and apartments above, what will the logistics of this look like?

This summer I visited cities in Italy such as Florence, Naples, and Genoa. Those are dense cities with most of their residents residing in city limits. Granted, European cities like these are very walkable, much more that we have in the US, but there were still plenty of automobiles. I cannot fathom how they will charge an EV in city limits for those that reside there in apartments. Furthermore, street parking for these residents are at a premium, so much so that if a good curbside spot is captured, people are likely to leave their auto there and use the walkability features that many dense EU cities have... You put a charger in that spot, that auto may sit there for weeks before it moves. I've seen it plenty of times with my travels and living abroad in my military days.

Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:38 am

the_benjamin_effect wrote:

1. All 27 European Union (EU) countries have committed to ban the sale of new fossil-fuel cars by 2035. These countries are Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Republic of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain and Sweden.
2. 13 non-EU countries have signed onto A.2 of the COP26 declaration committing to all new cars being zero emissions by 2040. These countries are Azerbaijan, Canada, Cape Verde, Chile, El Salvador, Iceland, Israel, Liechtenstein, New Zealand, Norway, the Holy See, the United Kingdom, and Uruguay.
3. China (including Hong Kong and Macao) plans to make all new vehicles sold in 2035 "eco-friendly".
4. Egypt has a plan for no gas-fueled cars by 2040.
5. Ethiopia is the first country to try to ban ICE vehicles now - a decision was made that automobiles cannot enter Ethiopia unless they are electric ones.
6. Indonesia announced plans for all motorcycles sold from 2040 to be electric-powered, while all new cars sold from 2050 will be electric vehicles
7. Japan plans to ban sales of new gas cars (except hybrids) by 2035.
8. Malaysia has a net-zero emissions target by 2050.
7. Singapore has announced plans to ban registration of internal combustion cars and taxis by 2030 and phase out internal combustion vehicles by 2040.
8. South Korea plans to phase out internal combustion vehicles by 2035.
9. Sri Lanka is going a step further with a full road ban for combustion engine cars, tuk-tuks and motorcycles by 2040
10. Taiwan has announced a plan to phase out internal combustion vehicles by 2040.
11. Thailand has set a target for 2035 to make all new vehicles electric.
12. Vietnam has a target that all means of transportation run on green energy by 2050

These 14 countries are also working towards accelerated proliferation and adoption of zero-emission vehicles: Armenia, Colombia, the Dominican Republic, Ghana, India, Kenya, Mexico, Morocco, Nigeria, Pakistan Paraguay, Rwanda, Türkiye and Ukraine.

A bunch of saber rattling by most of the countries on your list.

Most of which are considered "3rd world" and will never pull this off in the timeframe suggested, if at all

you look at our infrastructure and how delicate it is here in 2024, no way will these other countries even be close to where we are today in 10 more years.

Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:44 am

vwracerdave wrote: Changes are coming. Looks like the USPS may not be getting their EV's mandated by Biden. The USPS never wanted EV's.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportat...024-12-06/

The local Canoo EV manufacturing plant here in Oklahoma City is struggling and will probably file bankruptcy. They made 6 EV vans for the USPS.

https://www.autoweek.com/news/a63035236/canoo-electric-vans-finances/

Even with $110 million in state taxpayer incentives the Canoo is sinking...

https://www.readfrontier.org/stories/canoo-could-c...l-through/

Canoo is full of poo. Canoo cant do. Canoo for the fool.

Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:47 am

skills@eurocarsplus wrote: the_benjamin_effect wrote:

1. All 27 European Union (EU) countries have committed to ban the sale of new fossil-fuel cars by 2035. These countries are Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Republic of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain and Sweden.
2. 13 non-EU countries have signed onto A.2 of the COP26 declaration committing to all new cars being zero emissions by 2040. These countries are Azerbaijan, Canada, Cape Verde, Chile, El Salvador, Iceland, Israel, Liechtenstein, New Zealand, Norway, the Holy See, the United Kingdom, and Uruguay.
3. China (including Hong Kong and Macao) plans to make all new vehicles sold in 2035 "eco-friendly".
4. Egypt has a plan for no gas-fueled cars by 2040.
5. Ethiopia is the first country to try to ban ICE vehicles now - a decision was made that automobiles cannot enter Ethiopia unless they are electric ones.
6. Indonesia announced plans for all motorcycles sold from 2040 to be electric-powered, while all new cars sold from 2050 will be electric vehicles
7. Japan plans to ban sales of new gas cars (except hybrids) by 2035.
8. Malaysia has a net-zero emissions target by 2050.
7. Singapore has announced plans to ban registration of internal combustion cars and taxis by 2030 and phase out internal combustion vehicles by 2040.
8. South Korea plans to phase out internal combustion vehicles by 2035.
9. Sri Lanka is going a step further with a full road ban for combustion engine cars, tuk-tuks and motorcycles by 2040
10. Taiwan has announced a plan to phase out internal combustion vehicles by 2040.
11. Thailand has set a target for 2035 to make all new vehicles electric.
12. Vietnam has a target that all means of transportation run on green energy by 2050

These 14 countries are also working towards accelerated proliferation and adoption of zero-emission vehicles: Armenia, Colombia, the Dominican Republic, Ghana, India, Kenya, Mexico, Morocco, Nigeria, Pakistan Paraguay, Rwanda, Türkiye and Ukraine.

A bunch of saber rattling by most of the countries on your list.

Most of which are considered "3rd world" and will never pull this off in the timeframe suggested, if at all

you look at our infrastructure and how delicate it is here in 2024, no way will these other countries even be close to where we are today in 10 more years.

A list of totalitarian regimes, and socialist workers "paradise" states for the most part. No Thanks.

Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:39 pm

the_benjamin_effect wrote: vwracerdave wrote: Changes are coming.
World wide changes, I just done like how these are being crammed down our throats for people that don't want them. The newest car I own is 25 years old now and still going strong. How many of these EV's will be around in 2050?

World Gasoline Phaseoutshttps://coltura.org/world-gasoline-phaseouts/

1. All 27 European Union (EU) countries have committed to ban the sale of new fossil-fuel cars by 2035. These countries are Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Republic of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain and Sweden.
2. 13 non-EU countries have signed onto A.2 of the COP26 declaration committing to all new cars being zero emissions by 2040. These countries are Azerbaijan, Canada, Cape Verde, Chile, El Salvador, Iceland, Israel, Liechtenstein, New Zealand, Norway, the Holy See, the United Kingdom, and Uruguay.
3. China (including Hong Kong and Macao) plans to make all new vehicles sold in 2035 "eco-friendly".
4. Egypt has a plan for no gas-fueled cars by 2040.
5. Ethiopia is the first country to try to ban ICE vehicles now - a decision was made that automobiles cannot enter Ethiopia unless they are electric ones.
6. Indonesia announced plans for all motorcycles sold from 2040 to be electric-powered, while all new cars sold from 2050 will be electric vehicles
7. Japan plans to ban sales of new gas cars (except hybrids) by 2035.
8. Malaysia has a net-zero emissions target by 2050.
7. Singapore has announced plans to ban registration of internal combustion cars and taxis by 2030 and phase out internal combustion vehicles by 2040.
8. South Korea plans to phase out internal combustion vehicles by 2035.
9. Sri Lanka is going a step further with a full road ban for combustion engine cars, tuk-tuks and motorcycles by 2040
10. Taiwan has announced a plan to phase out internal combustion vehicles by 2040.
11. Thailand has set a target for 2035 to make all new vehicles electric.
12. Vietnam has a target that all means of transportation run on green energy by 2050

These 14 countries are also working towards accelerated proliferation and adoption of zero-emission vehicles: Armenia, Colombia, the Dominican Republic, Ghana, India, Kenya, Mexico, Morocco, Nigeria, Pakistan Paraguay, Rwanda, Türkiye and Ukraine.

All of this climate change bullshit is being instigated by the WEF (World Economic Forum). Their main objective is to form a One World government. They are using climate change as the excuse to extort money out of the USA. They are expecting the USA to pay for it all.

Same with the Paris Climate Accord. That's just the same scam to get USA to give money to all these poor countries.

The WHO (World Health Organization) is another international group that is trying to extort money out of the USA.

Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:09 pm

Come on Dave! Don't feed us that "World against the poor USA B.S.!" You guys only wish you were that important! :roll: Your all just like that middle aged lady that got bumped making her way to a theater seat "Did you see that?! He made a pass at me! Do something!"

"No lady, it's just a bit crowded up here in the nosebleed seats of the Global Warming show right now!"

Sat Dec 07, 2024 6:13 pm

oprn wrote: Come on Dave! Don't feed us that "World against the poor USA B.S.!" You guys only wish you were that important! :roll: Your all just like that middle aged lady that got bumped making her way to a theater seat "Did you see that?! He made a pass at me! Do something!"

"No lady, it's just a bit crowded up here in the nosebleed seats of the Global Warming show right now!"

I think that America should buy Western Canada. We get an uninterrupted corridor to Alaska, and the Western Canadians will get a better government. win win!!!

Sun Dec 08, 2024 6:15 am

You better hurry, the Chinese are already on that! They own a good big chunk of us now.

As for better government? I would just say "different". In your country it's the biggest blowhard with the fattest wallet that gets in. Here we value the emptiest head, preference given to acting ability... :roll:

I didn't say that out loud did I? Shame on me! :oops:

Ya! After nearly 70 years of watching politics I am pretty disillusioned with ALL of them. Sufficient for that! Back to the subject at hand.

I saw my first Tesla truck in the flesh last weekend. Good Lord that thing was ugly! My first thought was "That guy is late for the Halloween parade! Cardboard sprayed silver? And you paid how much for that?"

Sun Dec 08, 2024 3:10 pm

Sun Dec 08, 2024 7:50 pm

Even worse than the Cyber truck entry price, is that many of them are being painted or vinyl wrapped to avoid their rust issues.

Mon Dec 09, 2024 12:46 am

TDCTDI wrote: Even worse than the Cyber truck entry price, is that many of them are being painted or vinyl wrapped to avoid their rust issues.

^^^^ and ugliness :D

Mon Dec 09, 2024 7:37 am

funny, Elon was everyone's hero....until he wasn't

I'm not a fan of EV's for a bunch of reasons but the CT is for sure ugly. The "rust" issues are false. It's metal particles in the air from brake pad/rotor wear.

You can see such "specs" on cars with plastic bumpers.

Delorean's had the SAME issue. Look it up.

Anyway, Yea, the price is nuts but so is your average F-1fiddy. It's about 55k for a "rubber mat" strip down 8 foot bed 2wd offering. Basically, car prices are just plain out of touch.

Mon Dec 09, 2024 8:00 am

the_benjamin_effect wrote:
3. China (including Hong Kong and Macao) plans to make all new vehicles sold in the world.

5. Ethiopia is the first country to try to ban ICE vehicles now - a decision was made that automobiles cannot enter Ethiopia unless they are electric ones.
so they're really going to turn those diesel powered aid trucks away?
9. Sri Lanka is going a step further with a full road ban for combustion engine cars, tuk-tuks and motorcycles by 2040 and kiss goodbye to their economy

12. Vietnam has a target that all means of transportation run on green energy by 2050 whatever that is...pig methane gas?

my additions in bold, and I'm sure c02 emissions are at the top of Ukraine's concerns right now... :lol: as for europe and uk - watch the deadlines roll back and excuses made (at cop#whatever) as the infrastructure targets are missed. meanwhile car companies are being financially penalised for not selling enough evs when the public don't want them. :roll:

Mon Dec 09, 2024 8:26 am

That's all pie in the sky wishful thinking anyway. You can't take any of that seriously. When I was 18 I was convinced I would retire a wealthy business owner at 40 years old... then reality happened!

Mon Dec 09, 2024 10:07 am

skills@eurocarsplus wrote: Anyway, Yea, the price is nuts but so is your average F-1fiddy. It's about 55k for a "rubber mat" strip down 8 foot bed 2wd offering.

What planet do you live on. This year I bought a new F150 5.0L V-8 single cab long bed for under 42K and that's total including all financing, tag, title & taxes.

Mon Dec 09, 2024 11:15 am

As more EVs hit the roads, it’s obvious that more are going to be in accidents, however, it seems that a higher percentage are killing their occupants with post impact fires.

I doubt the occupants lived through the initial impact, but…

Or this one.

Mon Dec 09, 2024 11:26 am

vwracerdave wrote:

What planet do you live on. This year I bought a new F150 5.0L V-8 single cab long bed for under 42K and that's total including all financing, tag, title & taxes.

the one where math works, which is clearly a different planet than you live on

Base MSPR from google is 39,345. average loan rate is 5.5% therefore you're 51,100 all in, MINUS property taxes.

and just for proof:

so, 55k is about right, give or take. it would be about 1100/yr in property tax.

something tells me your math isn't mathing, but it's ok. it happens to a lot of people

Funny, people think I post to just post and not have hard evidence to back it up...

Mon Dec 09, 2024 11:35 am

TDCTDI wrote: As more EVs hit the roads, it’s obvious that more are going to be in accidents, however, it seems that a higher percentage are killing their occupants with post impact fires.

I doubt the occupants lived through the initial impact, but…

Or this one.

electric cars save considerable money on funeral expenses, no full sized casket needed, just a small urn. :twisted: