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Mr. T Samba Member

Joined: April 28, 2004 Posts: 119
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:32 pm Post subject: What is the best way to get 110-140Hp |
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I'm seriously looking into doing some major work to my pre-aug 66'. One of which is to have a new engine built and sell or keep my current stock 'H' case engine. This will be a new build that I will not be doing, however I will ask my builder (whomever it maybe) to use my almost new doghouse, fuel pump, bosch distributor and other random swapable parts. My question for you experienced samba'ers is which is the best way to get 110-140hp from an engine. What I'm looking at is either a smaller displacement longblock with a low boost small turbo or a larger displacement with dual IDF's. My needs are an engine that has moderate maintaince, whether it be tuning carbs, timing etc... to be a nice car that behaves in traffic and also have some power for the strip if I take it and most of all cost. I'm open to most all options and would like to know what I should be looking at to pay for something like this. _________________ If it is not watercooled then it should hover with fan power |
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A.J.Sims Banned

Joined: December 11, 2003 Posts: 1016 Location: LowBugget.com 982 N Batavia A4 Orange Ca 92867
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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1776 turbo or 2110 carb. that was easy!!!  |
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Mr. T Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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1776 turbo or 2110 carb. that was easy!!!  |
That's pretty much what I was thinking, but which would be better? Turbo or N/A? The 1776 would probably give me better gas millage but would the trubo present any excessive tuning issues or generate too much heat? I'm a noob when it comes to preformence engines. However once I get the hang of it I could maintain most anything. _________________ If it is not watercooled then it should hover with fan power |
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John M. Samba Member
Joined: July 22, 2005 Posts: 3833 Location: Boulder, CO
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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NA'ed 1914 will get you there easily. _________________
Current: 1972 Beetle - 96V EV
Previous:
1966 Beetle - Sea Blue - 1300SP
1966 Beetle - Sea Blue - 1600SP
1974 Beetle - African Red - 1914CC
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Glenn  Mr. 010

Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 80120 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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I'd go 1904 or 2110 N/A. _________________ Glenn
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
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עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי |
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Mr. T Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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It appears N/A is the way to go. Now just as a question what is with the good things I'm hearing about turbo ACVW? Is it generally used to beat a higher HP barrer that's impractical for N/A or is it more of a because-I-can thing. _________________ If it is not watercooled then it should hover with fan power |
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EXITSTRATEGY Samba Member
Joined: March 27, 2006 Posts: 450 Location: rolling thunder river company, nantahalla gorge. NC
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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i thought he was asking what specific kinds of mods can get into that horsepower range. it's my question. (someday i'll get my 70' back together...) where does the horsepower come from? what's the hp gain-range per part?
bore,stroke,cam,rocker,ignition-systems,port/polish, valve-size, carb, exhaust, turbo, supercharger, nitrous, gear-ratios, tires? _________________ I'm living down by the river and i don't even have my 'van'... |
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Mr. T Samba Member

Joined: April 28, 2004 Posts: 119
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| EXITSTRATEGY wrote: |
i thought he was asking what specific kinds of mods can get into that horsepower range. it's my question. (someday i'll get my 70' back together...) where does the horsepower come from? what's the hp gain-range per part?
bore,stroke,cam,rocker,ignition-systems,port/polish, valve-size, carb, exhaust, turbo, supercharger, nitrous, gear-ratios, tires? |
From the information I'm getting here, besides having a good case for reliability, heads are what make the engine. Assuming there are decent parts for engine A and B a good set of heads that are matched to the engine will always be best. _________________ If it is not watercooled then it should hover with fan power |
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vwracerdave Samba Member

Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15602 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Here's my recipe
78X90.5 = 2007cc
043 P/P 40X35.5 heads
W120 cam
Dual 44 IDF
That should get 120+ Hp and be able to drive across the country. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
2010 Sportsman ET Champion - Mid-America Dragway - Arkansas City, KS
1997 Sportsman ET Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble ,OK |
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Mr. T Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Here's my recipe
78X90.5 = 2007cc
043 P/P 40X35.5 heads
W120 cam
Dual 44 IDF
That should get 120+ Hp and be able to drive across the country. |
That sounds solid, what would I expect to pay for something like this? _________________ If it is not watercooled then it should hover with fan power |
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millerje78 Samba Amishman

Joined: October 16, 2005 Posts: 2445 Location: Holmes County, Ohio
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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depends on heads and parts selection...I am working on an engine build up very similar to the one that racerdave mentions. I have some VERY nice heads on the way, and they will work with the FK-8 engle cam and 1.4:1 rockers. It all depends on the heads... _________________ always seeking a better way
my 73 standard project
do your research, consult with experts, and buy quality parts. you won't be sorry |
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Mr. T Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| depends on heads and parts selection...I am working on an engine build up very similar to the one that racerdave mentions. I have some VERY nice heads on the way, and they will work with the FK-8 engle cam and 1.4:1 rockers. It all depends on the heads... |
I'd say heads that can place it within my HP range. Like I said I'm a HP noob...  _________________ If it is not watercooled then it should hover with fan power |
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EXITSTRATEGY Samba Member
Joined: March 27, 2006 Posts: 450 Location: rolling thunder river company, nantahalla gorge. NC
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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out of a 2.1 wbx? _________________ I'm living down by the river and i don't even have my 'van'... |
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krusher Samba Member

Joined: September 24, 2002 Posts: 7661 Location: europe
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:33 am Post subject: |
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The problem is you have asked a question that the answer could be the writings of a whole book. Very hard to give a short simple answer.
Its all very complicated becuase its a matter of efficienty, for example you could have a 2.0 that makes 75hp and one that makes 150hp, it all depends on the parts that you match together as an engine combo.
A 1776 starts to top out at about 100hp on the street tune relibility front so your gonna want bigger than that.
So were talking 1915 up.
I realy cant explain without writing a small book, so have a look here at http://www.steelbuggin.com/ the turnkey section.
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stan_tichomirov Samba Member

Joined: May 24, 2005 Posts: 1719 Location: San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:33 am Post subject: |
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Since you mentioned not doing the engine work yourself, do you have a builder in mind yet? Would you prefer to build it locally or have the engine shipped? I think that may have some influence on your choices.
I am building a 2110 with 40IDFs. It won't have alot of HP, but should have good torque at low RPM range, and will be upgradabe for more power if I were to look for more later. I chose to go bigger now rather than staying stock stroke. This is for a street-only '70 Beetle.
Stan _________________ Aircooled.net
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MConstable Samba Member
Joined: May 04, 2004 Posts: 1822 Location: Saint Charles IL
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John M. Samba Member
Joined: July 22, 2005 Posts: 3833 Location: Boulder, CO
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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I saw that too. It's a pretty sweet deal! _________________
Current: 1972 Beetle - 96V EV
Previous:
1966 Beetle - Sea Blue - 1300SP
1966 Beetle - Sea Blue - 1600SP
1974 Beetle - African Red - 1914CC
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stan_tichomirov Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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If I were looking for a motor to be built and shipped, I would go with Darren. He is very cool and goes out of his way to help. I wish I lived closer to his shop..
Stan _________________ Aircooled.net
Jansen Enterprise
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My budget 2276 build |
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74bug Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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150hp shot of No2 would do it.  |
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thevanillaninja Samba Member
Joined: October 10, 2004 Posts: 704 Location: Scott, IL
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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Turbo EFI 2110. Reliable stroker, reliable TUNEABLE fuel injection (tune in-car anyone?) _________________ 1967 Zenith Blue Type 1 "Elaine"
Bought in 2004
Stored for 4 1/2 years and soon to be resurrected..
'67 beetle |
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