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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:32 pm    Post subject: What is the best way to get 110-140Hp Reply with quote

I'm seriously looking into doing some major work to my pre-aug 66'. One of which is to have a new engine built and sell or keep my current stock 'H' case engine. This will be a new build that I will not be doing, however I will ask my builder (whomever it maybe) to use my almost new doghouse, fuel pump, bosch distributor and other random swapable parts. My question for you experienced samba'ers is which is the best way to get 110-140hp from an engine. What I'm looking at is either a smaller displacement longblock with a low boost small turbo or a larger displacement with dual IDF's. My needs are an engine that has moderate maintaince, whether it be tuning carbs, timing etc... to be a nice car that behaves in traffic and also have some power for the strip if I take it and most of all cost. I'm open to most all options and would like to know what I should be looking at to pay for something like this.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1776 turbo or 2110 carb. that was easy!!! Question
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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1776 turbo or 2110 carb. that was easy!!! Question




That's pretty much what I was thinking, but which would be better? Turbo or N/A? The 1776 would probably give me better gas millage but would the trubo present any excessive tuning issues or generate too much heat? I'm a noob when it comes to preformence engines. However once I get the hang of it I could maintain most anything.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NA'ed 1914 will get you there easily.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd go 1904 or 2110 N/A.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It appears N/A is the way to go. Now just as a question what is with the good things I'm hearing about turbo ACVW? Is it generally used to beat a higher HP barrer that's impractical for N/A or is it more of a because-I-can thing.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i thought he was asking what specific kinds of mods can get into that horsepower range. it's my question. (someday i'll get my 70' back together...) where does the horsepower come from? what's the hp gain-range per part?

bore,stroke,cam,rocker,ignition-systems,port/polish, valve-size, carb, exhaust, turbo, supercharger, nitrous, gear-ratios, tires?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i thought he was asking what specific kinds of mods can get into that horsepower range. it's my question. (someday i'll get my 70' back together...) where does the horsepower come from? what's the hp gain-range per part?

bore,stroke,cam,rocker,ignition-systems,port/polish, valve-size, carb, exhaust, turbo, supercharger, nitrous, gear-ratios, tires?


From the information I'm getting here, besides having a good case for reliability, heads are what make the engine. Assuming there are decent parts for engine A and B a good set of heads that are matched to the engine will always be best.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's my recipe

78X90.5 = 2007cc
043 P/P 40X35.5 heads
W120 cam
Dual 44 IDF

That should get 120+ Hp and be able to drive across the country.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vwracerdave wrote:
Here's my recipe

78X90.5 = 2007cc
043 P/P 40X35.5 heads
W120 cam
Dual 44 IDF

That should get 120+ Hp and be able to drive across the country.


That sounds solid, what would I expect to pay for something like this?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

depends on heads and parts selection...I am working on an engine build up very similar to the one that racerdave mentions. I have some VERY nice heads on the way, and they will work with the FK-8 engle cam and 1.4:1 rockers. It all depends on the heads...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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depends on heads and parts selection...I am working on an engine build up very similar to the one that racerdave mentions. I have some VERY nice heads on the way, and they will work with the FK-8 engle cam and 1.4:1 rockers. It all depends on the heads...



I'd say heads that can place it within my HP range. Like I said I'm a HP noob... Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

out of a 2.1 wbx?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem is you have asked a question that the answer could be the writings of a whole book. Very hard to give a short simple answer.

Its all very complicated becuase its a matter of efficienty, for example you could have a 2.0 that makes 75hp and one that makes 150hp, it all depends on the parts that you match together as an engine combo.

A 1776 starts to top out at about 100hp on the street tune relibility front so your gonna want bigger than that.
So were talking 1915 up.

I realy cant explain without writing a small book, so have a look here at http://www.steelbuggin.com/ the turnkey section.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since you mentioned not doing the engine work yourself, do you have a builder in mind yet? Would you prefer to build it locally or have the engine shipped? I think that may have some influence on your choices.

I am building a 2110 with 40IDFs. It won't have alot of HP, but should have good torque at low RPM range, and will be upgradabe for more power if I were to look for more later. I chose to go bigger now rather than staying stock stroke. This is for a street-only '70 Beetle.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hate to keep pimping him...but...
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=348928
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hate to keep pimping him...but...
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=348928


I saw that too. It's a pretty sweet deal!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I were looking for a motor to be built and shipped, I would go with Darren. He is very cool and goes out of his way to help. I wish I lived closer to his shop..

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

150hp shot of No2 would do it. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turbo EFI 2110. Reliable stroker, reliable TUNEABLE fuel injection (tune in-car anyone?)
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