Author |
Message |
raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 22925 Location: Oklahoma City
|
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:14 am Post subject: |
|
|
Heckrazr wrote: |
Ok,
Went to ISP and got all my ball joints and 3 of the tie rod ends.
Found a guy on here that has 2 left Niners so I bought one.
I will check it out and post after I receive it.
Thanks all for the insight. |
Its interesting to see that ISP is out of stock on the bent left inner. What year is your car?
And if you dont mind can you tell us what brand your tie rods are when you get them?
Thanks! Ray |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 22925 Location: Oklahoma City
|
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:59 am Post subject: |
|
|
Here are a few pictures of an alternative way of getting the 9 degree tie rod end. This could easily be used for the T-34 and Porsche 912 20 degree tie rod end but you would probably go to 7/8"-1" hex bar.
The complete tie rod with adapter:
End detail
the inner end on here right now is just the Flennor for fit. It has not been pinned yet
Back cap construction detail of the superb NOS TRW tie rod ends I have for both ends of these rods
Side detail with boot. Nice boot.
Sorry for the crappy pics. My lighting set up and photo backdrop space is busy right now so I just snapped these on the fly. Ray |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Heckrazr Samba Member
Joined: August 21, 2011 Posts: 52
|
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 6:31 am Post subject: |
|
|
Ray greenwood, they are all Meyle tie rod ends _________________ 60 Ragtop
69 Fastback |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Heckrazr Samba Member
Joined: August 21, 2011 Posts: 52
|
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 6:33 am Post subject: |
|
|
And these were for my 69 fastback _________________ 60 Ragtop
69 Fastback |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 22925 Location: Oklahoma City
|
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 6:38 am Post subject: |
|
|
Thank you. Did you buy any of the 9° bent ones....or just the straight ones?
Quality on every company's joints is going up and down. The Meyles....I dont have a real grip on for current quality. I hear excellent and not so good from all over the place. If you could post a couple of detail pics it would be nice.
I am slowly putting together a tie-rod and balljoint "quality" and identification chart in pictures.
Ray |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
eyetzr  Samba Member

Joined: October 09, 2013 Posts: 1468 Location: Toronto, Ontario. Canada
|
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 7:20 am Post subject: |
|
|
Ray, nice job on the adapter, very well done.  _________________ I think he meant "rare", as in "not well-done" |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 22925 Location: Oklahoma City
|
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 7:42 am Post subject: |
|
|
eyetzr wrote: |
Ray, nice job on the adapter, very well done.  |
Thank you! Some....I figure think its stupid and unecessary....but being that I have a car that no longer has shocks, struts or ball joints manufactured for it and quality and tightness of joints makes a huge difference on this car.....and I have bad trouble getting quality joints at all (much less even getting 9°bent joints)....I figured it was about time.
Seiously...I keep telling vw people....especially type 3 and somewhat the bus guys....start either collecting basic parts as they are available or start looking for answers.
I wasnt so worried about tie rod ends just because I had a hard time finding a decent 9° bent inner. ......but when I started hearing from actual manufacturers that specialty inner tie rod ends like that....are no longer really on their production list......because there are virtually "0" modern cars that do not have power steering or rack and pinion.....both of which use a totally different type of joint......the warning bells went off in my head.
Outer tie rod ends should be no big deal. Even if our exact part #s dry up....the taper on the pin is pretty standard and power steering and rack and pinion use such virtually identical outers that we could probably always make something available work.
As far as quality.....thats a different thing. Aside from third world manufacturing issues, virtually all of the big names have outstanding construction and materials. However....the internal designs have changed a bit. The mfgs are starting to make everything the same type internally. The pattern is much lighter tension on springs, looser turning torque etc.....but more precision so that each joint is virtually identical. This is for the modern steering systems. Older cars like ours that need tighter joints to control vibration and movement may suffer. Ray |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Erik G Samba Member

Joined: October 16, 2002 Posts: 13521 Location: Tejas!
|
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:30 am Post subject: |
|
|
as I mentioned in my thread, I was able to score a complete NOS assembly, left tie rod and both inner and outer ends.
but look at what I took off. The end is angled the wrong way. And, this was the outer, the inner was straight (and actually in pretty good condition, the outer seen below was like playing with a rubber band it was so worn)
_________________ Stop dead photo links! Post your photos to The Samba Gallery! |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 22925 Location: Oklahoma City
|
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:35 am Post subject: |
|
|
You should section the outer one with an angle grinder. if its like a "rubber band"...I can almost exactly tell you what you will find inside.......AND....if I am correct...its one of the reasons I would not buy NOS joints that are REALLY NOS.....meaning say.... pre-80's build or original 1960's/70's VW stamped items.
What I found inside of the original 1971, 1972 and 1973 joints from my 412 (which are the same for type 3)....is that the same incorrect nylon 6 was used that was also used in the centerlink bushings of super beetle and type 4 cars.
It absorbs moisture with age and literally turns to a mush. It can do so even on the shelf without being installed to a certain extent because it absorbs moisture and solvents from the grease inside.
If so....what you have can have a short life span. If its 80's on up it usually has nylon 12 inside and will last for eons unless you mix grease types that are incompatible and then get an oxidization reaction that can start affecting the nylon.
All of this is part of why I started getting picky recently about what quality of tie rod ends I was getting. Ray |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Guubeli Samba Member
Joined: October 17, 2015 Posts: 2 Location: Finland
|
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 1:45 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I have some NOS early model '62-'67 Type 3 left inner angled tie rod ends.
These are hard to find and these are original VW parts, no aftermarket.
|
|
Back to top |
|
 |
jismay Samba Member
Joined: February 02, 2010 Posts: 219 Location: Norco, CA
|
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:12 pm Post subject: Re: Left inside tie rod end.... |
|
|
Bumping an older thread.
Just ordered a full set of suspension parts for my 1970 Type 3 from RockAuto.com.
This is what I received for the left-inner tie rod end.
Don't know if I just got lucky with a NOS part, but for what its worth...
Only paid ~$20 for this one.
_________________ 1970 Squareback with 1915cc dual 40idf
1979 Beetle Convertible
1980 Vanagon Westfalia
1989 VW Cabriolet |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Bryan67 Samba Member
Joined: January 01, 2003 Posts: 2959 Location: Fresno, Ca.
|
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:56 pm Post subject: Re: Left inside tie rod end.... |
|
|
Did it come in the AC Delco box or the Ocap bag? _________________ If you`re going to do something, do it right. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 22925 Location: Oklahoma City
|
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:23 pm Post subject: Re: Left inside tie rod end.... |
|
|
Bryan67 wrote: |
Did it come in the AC Delco box or the Ocap bag? |
Yes....please.....which one......or was it ocap bag in a Delco box....not unheard of as many companies makes parts for other companies.
Nice score. It would be interesting to see how old the stock is. Virtually no one making these except special order so I am told. $20 is a good deal. Make sure the thread direction is correct. Also if you can please take a picture of the back cap. Thanks! Ray
EDIT:...... ah....I see the made in Italy on th3 Delco box.....which fairly marks it as Ocap. Question is old or new. Good part hopefully either way. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
jismay Samba Member
Joined: February 02, 2010 Posts: 219 Location: Norco, CA
|
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:46 pm Post subject: Re: Left inside tie rod end.... |
|
|
raygreenwood wrote: |
Bryan67 wrote: |
Did it come in the AC Delco box or the Ocap bag? |
Yes....please.....which one......or was it ocap bag in a Delco box....not unheard of as many companies makes parts for other companies.
Nice score. It would be interesting to see how old the stock is. Virtually no one making these except special order so I am told. $20 is a good deal. Make sure the thread direction is correct. Also if you can please take a picture of the back cap. Thanks! Ray
EDIT:...... ah....I see the made in Italy on th3 Delco box.....which fairly marks it as Ocap. Question is old or new. Good part hopefully either way. |
Yes, precisely, it was in the Ocap bag inside the AC Delco box. I haven't checked the thread direction yet, but I will. Hoping to be able to get it on the car this weekend if the weather cooperates. I'll report back once I can confirm fitment, etc.
_________________ 1970 Squareback with 1915cc dual 40idf
1979 Beetle Convertible
1980 Vanagon Westfalia
1989 VW Cabriolet |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
armoredpinata Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2006 Posts: 1
|
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: Left inside tie rod end.... |
|
|
Is finding 9 degree left inners an issue any more? Rock auto still has the ACDelco 45A0142 in stock for $17 and Amazon lists at least 3 in stock: ACDelco 45A0142, Centric 612.33044, & Rare Parts RP26245 (looks identical to Centric). Even AutoZone has RP26245 listed. I've no idea about quality of the Centric parts so ordered the ACDelco part from Rock Auto. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Brent Samba Member

Joined: April 28, 2010 Posts: 1622 Location: San Tan Valley, AZ
|
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: Left inside tie rod end.... |
|
|
I bought a couple of these from Rock Auto.
Unlike the original ones, it appears they have a relief notch cut in the top of them between the body and threaded end and are bent to 9 degrees. You can see the notch in the above picture. They really appear to have started out as straight tie rod ends.
Maybe not an issue, but an observation... _________________ 69 Fastback Build
Berg5 Build |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Tvättbjörn Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2004 Posts: 1435 Location: SoCal
|
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:32 pm Post subject: Re: Left inside tie rod end.... |
|
|
Any update on a manufacture making those early ( up to 67 ) left inner tie rod ends again?
I did find one at autozone and kragen made by RareParts # 26244 . The picture looks like the boot is separate and just sits on top of the end piece and is held in place when it is installed. Looks kind of funky. Anybody seen it in person?
I like NOS but one member was saying something in a different posting that there were two different types of plastic the manufactures used before 1980 and after 1980 and the early type of plastic would fall apart due to moisture over time even just by sitting on the shelf. Because of it the rod end would not last long and wear out quick.
Not sure how to tell what year a tie rod end was made since they have no year stamp on it. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
vwsplitvan Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2008 Posts: 480 Location: UK
|
Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 7:31 am Post subject: Re: Left inside tie rod end.... |
|
|
Can anyone please confirm the thread direction on the inner tie rod end?
Left side of car where it meets steering box.
69 car
Be great help as not with car right now. 👍 Thanks
My car is lowered so I have been sent the straight tie rod.
On the Febi box it is part no. 311 415 812C _________________ SBS #20 UK
RHD 62 Ragtop Beetle Beryl Green
LHD 69 Squareback Peru Green
LHD 63 Splitscreen Highroof Pearl White |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
blues90 Samba Member
Joined: March 14, 2009 Posts: 1912 Location: Hollywood ,CA
|
Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: Left inside tie rod end.... |
|
|
vwsplitvan wrote: |
Can anyone please confirm the thread direction on the inner tie rod end?
Left side of car where it meets steering box.
69 car
Be great help as not with car right now. 👍 Thanks
My car is lowered so I have been sent the straight tie rod.
On the Febi box it is part no. 311 415 812C |
Pretty sure it's RH thread and the outer is LH
I got mine from Autozone in 2015 they seem to be well made. They have other makes as well. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
vwsplitvan Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2008 Posts: 480 Location: UK
|
Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: Left inside tie rod end.... |
|
|
Thanks blues90 l _________________ SBS #20 UK
RHD 62 Ragtop Beetle Beryl Green
LHD 69 Squareback Peru Green
LHD 63 Splitscreen Highroof Pearl White |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
|