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Terry Kay
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There is a BIG reason the Rustoleum "marine" refinishing material is inexpensive.
Take a look at it's igrediants.
"Modified Alkyd Enamel"
Might as well have taken the pop top to Earl Scheib, as this is all they have for paint--in house manufactred cheap Alkyd enamel.
Nothing beats the durability of a Urethane Refinishing Material--and there no way straight Alkyd will even come close, in stain or pigment retention.
You are getting exactly what you paid for--cheap paint--and a big waste of time and a little money.
Wait till it starts milking out--you'll be real happy.
Petit or Interlux Urethane is the right way go for a long distance pop top refinishing job.
Dupont Imron would be a real good selection too--for the long haul.
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I don't think anyone answered this part of the question so here is my 2 cents.
If you have a white van and use the Interlux brite white paint, the color will not be an exact match. It looks fine, IMO, but white on non-white looks better because it doesn't look like you were trying to match it, whereas on a white van, it just looks like it doesn't quite match. If I was doing it again, I would try to find a way to have the color matched, and probably to try and find a non-glossy finish. The original poptop paint had kind of an eggshell finish and I just think it looks nicer, although glossy probably holds up better.
K58s white van looks great above, but that appears to be a brite white van too, so it looks like an exact match. With a more pastel white van(L90D), the top is a little brighter. |
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Terry Kay
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The reason folks are using the Petit or Interlux is that they are side stepping going to an automotive paint dealer and popping for automotive , color matched urethane, which is twice the price of the off the shelf marine refinishing material.
It's nothing more than a cost factor.
If you walked into a bonified paint shop you could very well have the automotive urethane color matched.
It's the old story here---cost overrides quality, and in this case a dead on color match.
In this world, and as alway's --you only get exactly what you pay for.
Belly up to a Dupont or PPG paint counter for a dead on urethane match and pay the piper.
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Hey jimeg, did you use the oyster white? I was looking at the whites and oyster white last night, and the oyster white looks like it has a lot of yellow to it. If so, do you have a picture of your van with the painted top?
I am prepping my top right now, and bought both the oyster and semi-gloss white to test them out.
My van is tan and brown, so I suspect either would work, but it sure would be nice to see how it looks.
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I tried both, too. The white had a cold, blue tint to it - it didnt look good with my van. The oyster was a softer, warmer white and looked better with my body color. I think the oyster white will be better with your colors. I'll look to see if I have any pictures.
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Terry Kay
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And let me mention this---
There is absolutley noting wrong with the Petit or Interlux marine Urethane.
It's a tough , long lasting refinshing material--if, and as long as your not looking for an on the money / dead on paint match to the bottom side of your vehicle.
If you don't want a two tone paint job--then your going to have to slide over to an automotive paint dealer and have them mix/ color match the paint for you.
Rust-O-Leum ain't the right answer here either--no way-- no how .
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Hey jimeg, did you use the oyster white? I was looking at the whites and oyster white last night, and the oyster white looks like it has a lot of yellow to it. If so, do you have a picture of your van with the painted top?
I am prepping my top right now, and bought both the oyster and semi-gloss white to test them out.
My van is tan and brown, so I suspect either would work, but it sure would be nice to see how it looks.
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Here is one pic I found. I'll look for more tonight.
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Terry Kay
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:12 am Post subject: Re: What do I use to paint the top? |
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I was talking with a good buddy of mine yesterday that has a 75' Chris Craft Director, and who has painted it a couple of times in the 30 years he has owned it.
The reason I was yacking with him about marine paint , I have another friend who just bought a 48' drop frame trailer and just wants to roll & brush the sides of it.
I think he's nuts, and I did offer to let him use my Binks 2 gallon pressure pot--so he can use Industrial Imron, which I know full well has excellent color retention.
Buddy one with the yacht sez this;
The single stage Petit, & Interlux is easy to use, lays down flat with a roller & a brush--But in time will chaulk out--
The Awl grip or Imron won't because it is a two stage paint--has the hardener you have to mix in it.
There ya go--right from the horses mouth--
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TK,
What would you paint a Orly Blue Westfalia top with?
Not interested in white, original or as close as possible.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:44 am Post subject: Re: What do I use to paint the top? |
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for what is worth, about 40 years ago my Dad painted his bug with marine epoxy. looked good for a short time, then got very chaulky, no high gloss like a car paint has. never could make it shine. wrong choice of paint. it was made for boat hulls, at least it was barnicle resistant. looked bad however. tough stuff, just buttt ugly in the long run.
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For the record, and for those wanting to just drop by Home Depot or Amazon Prime their paint. The Rustoleum Marine Costing I used on my top (pictured earlier in the thread) went down smooth and has held up well out in the funky and moldy PNW weather for the last 2.5 years.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:54 am Post subject: Re: What do I use to paint the top? |
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If you like white, a two part paint that is incredibly tough is Jet Glow
I got expose to this a while back when I was working repainting aircraft. It is made by Sherwin Williams, you need to find a commercial distributor of Sherwin Williams products, not your consumer distributor. Yes it is available in other colours, not sure how many, I just chose the white. I'm pretty sure it is their equivalent to Imron (Dupont)
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Terry Kay
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:01 am Post subject: Re: What do I use to paint the top? |
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[quote="insyncro"]TK,
What would you paint a Orly Blue Westfalia top with?
Not interested in white, original or as close as possible.
Try an automotive paint purveyor for the match, and use Industrial Imron.
Listen to this one;
I removed & welded in a new floor , manufactured a new gate on a 28' dump trailer 11years ago.
The guy ran out of money to put a new cylinder & finish the under carrage.
I did paint the dump body before it was parked.
I was over at this guys yard 2 weeks ago, and the trailer looks as good as the day I painted it, slicker than all get out.
It's GM red, and hasn't faded or rusted at all.
This industrial Imron is tough stuff, and more than reasonable in price.
I'd check this stuff out first, then check out Awlgrip.
It has a color chart a mile long.
You might get lucky with it on a match.
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insyncro
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:04 am Post subject: Re: What do I use to paint the top? |
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TK,
What would you paint a Orly Blue Westfalia top with?
Not interested in white, original or as close as possible.
Try an automotive paint purveyor for the match, and use Industrial Imron.
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Pardon my ignorance, but is that single stage or base clear?
I have used Imron when I worked at UPS to touch up the trucks, but that was when I was 17....30 years ago.
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insyncro
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:21 am Post subject: Re: What do I use to paint the top? |
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Terry, are you saing Imron can be rolled? Or are you saying you wouldn't waste your time if you didn't have a compressor, booth, and Imron? |
NO 
You can not roll Imron
HVLP, clean dry air, the professional setup.
I use 3M Accuspray guns and components, some SATA and other high end delivery tools, no rolling. |
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