anyone got a picture of a factory 1962 stale air motor?

[Rob E UK]

as im currently going through my motor and detailing it up at per the factory.........

[the.fordhams]

My engine is fairly close.. although missing a few things like a metal vac tube, the flap mechanism on the air cleaner is broke, I have not fitted the cone fan stalling device (for warm up), no oil breather pipe yet, and some others will see other things.. but here goes;

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[glutamodo]

So you don't have a copy of the VW1200 Bentley manual?? - that's a good source for info an pictures.

What's your chassis number - if yours is like mine and is an early 62 model, you should have an air cleaner with the crankcase breather connection between the air intake and the carb - here's a scan from the manual - also note - no down pipe (condensastion tube) from the oil filler, those were added in 1963, but was retrofitted on many cars.

Like I've said before, I keep my 62 as original as I can but have it functional as possible as a driver. So it's changed a bit since '89 when I bought it. Back then it was was somewhat original, and I've retained that original air cleaner and the oil filler (but I had to put a new decal on the air cleaner) I tried to find a picture of my engine as it was when I got it in 89, and found it in a box of photos that were damaged in a flood several years ago.

I soon changed that to 12V and did other things to it. Then I built a separate motor for it when I restored it in 1992, here's what it looked like the day I swapped them out:

And, last and least, here's how it looked like this year in all of it's very unoriginal looking g(l)ory - taken when I changed to that ugly-as-hell looking solid state voltage regulator, and yeah,I'm still running a fuel filter there. (I would lose that filter and go to a 40HP style metal fuel line like they used in around 1964, if only I could find one! Anyone know where I get one? I've been looking at swap meets/online for months now - - I guess, I should post a wanted ad here on the classifieds, just haven't gotten around to it yet) And the Bocar 30PICT-1, fuel pump wth an Italian top half, sand seal pulley, and the large 12V generator all are WRONG!! But it's meant to be an "OK" looking driver, not a restored showpiece. But, it's still got that original-to-this-car air cleaner! (with the decal replaced)

--andy

[Rob E UK]

so the fuel line from the fuel pump the carb is just the flexible one? not flexible and solid?

[glutamodo]

Yep that's correct. Now, of course the inlet line is metal - and it threads into the fuel pump. But the outlet line was originally just a rubber hose, as you could see in the pictures from the VW1200 book I posted. But in around 63 or 64 VW put a metal line there which connected with a small piece of rubber hose at either end - most people threw these away over the years though, so don't see them very often. I've tried to find a good picture of one to have if/when I decide to post a WTB ad. I just realized I might find a better pic if I looked through some of the literature on thesamba - I found one just now - I guess I might have to replace my "loop" style metal vacuum hose if I ever go to one of these.

While looking around there, I also found find these pics from a 1963 brochure that Everett posted, which has a good stale air motor picture- I'm pretty sure this is a pic of a non-USA model though with those amber tail lights and a "down pipe" off of the oil filler neck instead of the PCV vent hose to the air cleaner.

[Rob E UK]

thanks for all the pics, they are very helpful

well the only 2 incorrect items i have are a 12v generator/dynamo, which i plan to change and i dont have the curly dizzy metal tube, anyone know where i can get one??

[glutamodo]

The "loop" style metal vaccum line was another part added during the 62 model year. At Chassis number 4423336. My car is 4 436 xxx so the loop pipe is correct for my car. I'm pretty sure it changed to the non-loop style when they went to that metal fuel line - but the bentley doesn't say when that change happened.

By the way, to be 100% right, the 1962 carb should be a 28PICT, the style with the smaller choke and the small piston style of choked throttle pull off device - the 28PICT-1 with the common larger choke and the replacable diaphram style pull-off didn't come around til NOV 63 at VIN 5909656. Most people use the later type, over the years I've seen a lot of PICT-1 tops put onto PICT bottoms as well.

andy

[Rob E UK]

wow, thats quite interesting, well it is correct for mine to have the loop too, any ideas where i can get one?

[glutamodo]

I went to three swap meets this summer - with an eye open for that metal fuel line, but the only metal lines I found were vacuum ones. Interesingly enough, although I saw LOTs of them, I cannot recall seeing a single "loop" style. I've got just the one on my 62, which I think I got at a swap meet in the early 90s. I also have a different style loop piece on my baja bug - these were sold to retrofit cars that didn't have them, you'd just the rubber hose and put this loop inline. But I don't have a spare one around. All I can say is to do what I should do for the metal fuel line - put a WTB ad up in the classifieds.

Here's a pic of the other style of metal loop, the one that's on my baja bug. The loops are just as functional as the common up-then-down pipe VW later went to in keeping fuel out of the advance unit, but I think the loops are much better looking.
-andy

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[EverettB]

This brochure may also be of some use:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/61whatsbehind.php

My all original '64 1500cc Bus engine with metal fuel line (in case anyone was wondering what he was talking about earlier):

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[oc63rag]

My stock 72 has the steel vacuum line also. Why did VW use steel instead of rubber? Would rubber line collapse?

[glutamodo]

Nothing wrong with plain hose as far as collapsing - they did it so they would stop fuel that might condense in the vaccum line from draining down into the distributor's vacuum canister. The 61 and early 62 40HP's had just a plain vacuum hose - they changed it to steel pipe with a loop in it in 1962, which by 64 was an up-then-down curved pipe instead of a full loop.

-Andy

[Rob E UK]

ok so what colour so tinware? am i right in thinking satin black is the factory colour?

[glutamodo]

Yeah, that's about right - there is a slight gloss to the factory paint but not a lot. Low gloss black paint radiates heat better than just about anything,

Most of the the tin I have in mine are still the pieces I had powder coated in the early 90s. The closest they had to the stock semi-gloss black was "40% gloss" black, which I think looked pretty good myself.

andy

[glutamodo]

well, I finally I put up that WTB ad for a metal pipe, and quickly got a reply, and it arrived here yesterday. It turns out it clears the loopy vacuum line just fine, so that was good too! Here's what it looks like, compare that to Everett's original 1500Bus picture a couple of posts above this: - Andy

[Rob E UK]

looking good!

what year/motor have you got? i thought 62 motors didnt have that pipe?

[glutamodo]

I was in the middle of answering this earlier this afternoon when the power went out. Argh!

Anyway, yes that pipe is NOT correct for that early in 1962. It was added later that year. But I was getting tired of people giving me $hit about having my fuel filter there, and I've always liked the look of (and wanted to get one of) that metal pipe ever since I saw the one a good friend of mine had on his 64 many years ago.

Also, I gave up on keeping this motor looking 100% stock when my small-diameter generator died several years ago. Now it's got the large generator, that ugly-as-hell solid state voltage regulator mounted on top of it, A sand seal pulley, and the Bocar 30PICT-1 carb that has the late model return spring setup. When i put that carb on there I thought about taking off the spring and retaining my early style cable-based return spring, but decided not to. The later model setup is better.

But I think the two copper-plated pipes look good together. And my filter is now under the car where no one can see it.

Andy