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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:57 pm    Post subject: Retractable Lap/Shoulder Belts for Rear Bench Reply with quote

I started a thread about putting 3-point belts in the back of my '74 awhile back and it has mysteriously disappeared. The drag of it...I want some of the info that some kind folks shared with me and wanted to get in touch with several of you for some question I am still having. Drop me a line if you were one who responded or feel free to post here if you know anything about installing retractable belts in the back of a bay.

I have concluded that 3-points won't work, at least not the type that bolt to the vehicle at three different points. I believe I found something that is a lap and shoulder belt that bolts in two places.

If you are the person from NZ or Aus who sent the pic, please get back to me.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:15 pm    Post subject: Try this again... Reply with quote

I didn't receive any responses to my previous post. I believe that I lost the info from the original post when things went down awhile back. I just wanted to shoot this out again in hopes of getting back some of that lost info. Thanks...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey!

You're right--the whole thread disappeared!

I'm the guy who has done the fixed belts in the back for my kids, both with and without booster seats. I, too, am interested to see if anyone has a decent method for retractables.

I can't see how a lap'n'shoulder belt could take less than three mounting points. You need one for each end of the lap belt, plus one for the shoulder.

Typical retractable setup has the reel on the floor, with the web going up to the 'shoulder' mount, passing through a loop, then back down to the buckle, and back to the reel. Three points.

Hoping to get some life in this thread this time!

Later

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

me too! Am trying to figure out same thing!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i was wondering too.. i need to put seat belts in the back of my 70 bay for my kids
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:09 am    Post subject: Done Reply with quote

Hey Kat! Jim Bear here from FMBS...
Hey All...

I put my belts in last night. I found a retractable three-point that only bolts in two places. It is a little weird, but it appears that it is going to work. I ordered the bels from Wesco Performance. It took no time to get the oldies out and the new ones in. I had to cut (drill) some holes in my Westie closet to make it work on the left side. I took pics and will get those up soon. Here is a pic of the unit from the website and the site address. The belts are billed as being used for 2-door coupe/roadsters and certain old pick-ups.

http://wescoperformance.stores.yahoo.net/resebe.html

Can't figure how to add pics here...
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe the original thread mentioned something about mounting them to some stock bolt locations in the headliner? (for the upper mount) I am taking some out of a Bronco II I am parting out, and am going to attempt mounting them for the rear seat.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey!

VW provided shoulder anchors in Bay Buses. Look around the back of your bus for 10 or 12mm (can't remember which) anchor points. They may have big plastic phillips head plugs in them.

For the middle row, look about 4" to 6" up the C-Pillar (that's between the two big windows). For the back row, look under the big window.

If you have a full width middle seat, you can have shoulder belts on both sides.

If you want shoulder belts for the middle seat in each row, you're on your own.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:32 am    Post subject: Re: Retractable Lap/Shoulder Belts for Rear Bench Reply with quote

Jim Bear wrote:
I have concluded that 3-points won't work, at least not the type that bolt to the vehicle at three different points.


VW concluded that 3 pointers works just fine. The rear three point belts were required in Europe so the mounting points are all there. Just pop the little plastic covers off and the stock mounting hardware from up front will work. I'm using old seatbelts for now, but I'm gonna buy newer belts.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:01 pm    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

Nemo, apparently there are 3-points with pillar guides and 3-points w/out pillar guides. The ones with w/out need only two attachment points, the ones with need three. I located one that is meant for a roadster and needs only two attachment points. Who would have thunk that this would be so damn confusing.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which belt are you referring to Jim? There are a bunch on the page you linked.

This one?
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ps to post an image, if the site allows hotlinking (it does for now at least!), you can click on the photo, right click on the now larger image of it on your screen, click on properties, copy the location address. Then start a post on thesamba, click on the img button to get an opening tag, paste the url you copied, and click the img button again for the closing tag. simple right? Confused

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:08 pm    Post subject: Re: ... Reply with quote

Jim Bear wrote:
Nemo, apparently there are 3-points with pillar guides and 3-points w/out pillar guides. The ones with w/out need only two attachment points, the ones with need three. I located one that is meant for a roadster and needs only two attachment points. Who would have thunk that this would be so damn confusing.


Hello, fello moonie. I cannot imagine why I would choose the two attachment point model, unless you are working around a westy cabinet and do not want to modify the cabinet.

Pillar guides? NOT SURE... but I doubt you need it since the third bolt isn't mounted on the pillar in a bus.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this Bear who had the 1600cc Spacemaker vanagon?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Jim Bear. I knew it was you!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:50 am    Post subject: Re: Retractable Lap/Shoulder Belts for Rear Bench Reply with quote

Jim Bear wrote:
I started a thread about putting 3-point belts in the back of my '74 awhile back and it has mysteriously disappeared. The drag of it...I want some of the info that some kind folks shared with me and wanted to get in touch with several of you for some question I am still having. Drop me a line if you were one who responded or feel free to post here if you know anything about installing retractable belts in the back of a bay.

I have concluded that 3-points won't work, at least not the type that bolt to the vehicle at three different points. I believe I found something that is a lap and shoulder belt that bolts in two places.

If you are the person from NZ or Aus who sent the pic, please get back to me.


See the following links, recently posted in The Samba Gallery, which I shall further edit, in the not too distant future:

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=336071

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=336070

Regards.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh goodie, some more grainy black and white pics from Nigel. A huge help I'm sure.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:38 am    Post subject: Thanks... Reply with quote

Thanks for the info. Any idea on where to get these accessories?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:46 am    Post subject: 1968~79 VW Type 2, rear seat belts Reply with quote

Jim Bear wrote:
Thanks for the info. Any idea on where to get these accessories?


The seat belts, illustrated in The Samba Gallery, at the following links, would be available sporadically at Swedish vehicle dismantlers:

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=336071

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=336070


Try the following link, to the Swedish Vehicle Dismantlers' Association, which has many members, who list items on-line:

http://www.bildelsbasen.se

Be wary of buying seat belts from crash-damaged vehicles, because the nylon webbing might be stretched, but seat belts from vehicles, which have been scrapped, owing to corrosion damage, should be okay.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim Bear wrote:
I believe I found something that is a lap and shoulder belt that bolts in two places.


then

melville wrote:


I can't see how a lap'n'shoulder belt could take less than three mounting points. You need one for each end of the lap belt, plus one for the shoulder.

Barry says: OK, that is three points but you can bolt it in two places if each end is bolted at the same place - seat pedestal, and the loop is bolted over shoulder height - wall.

Typical retractable setup has the reel on the floor, with the web going up to the 'shoulder' mount, passing through a loop, then back down to the buckle, and back to the reel. Three points.

Mel


Juat talking about the FRONT seats [yes, this thread is about the BACK seats], you can put an angle bracket at the front seat pedestal where the stock bay seat belt goes into, then attach the plate of the three point belt at the base of the angle bracket, where it would normally fit. Use the same bolt and same hole. Attach the retractable housing along the verticle side of the angle bracket, in a vertical position.

Now, for rear seat, it is very difficult. I pulled a pair of retractable three point seat belts off a Eurovan, There is a hanging strap that is attached to the van near the roof above the glass window(s) and the strap comes down about a foot. The seat belt itself runs through that hanging strap. That seems to be the most controversial part of the installation

I think the previous discussion [that seems to be lost] had a link to a site that sold this type of seat belt. You could find many varieties in the junk yard on conversion vans. I pulled these off the Eurovan because they were VW!!!

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i KNEW it!

having the shoulder mount below your shoulder WILL compress your spine in a collision, but i did not have any online documentation to back it up in the last thread. Eat your hearts out:

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Thank you Nigel for bringing sanity to this discussion.
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