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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:02 pm    Post subject: What lifters to use? 2275cc Reply with quote

I have heard it mentioned that this is a touchy topic, but I'd like to get your opinions anyway.

I'm a first time engine builder, and am creating my list of parts to purchase. I think I've got most of the stuff figgured out, but when it comes to the lifters I dont know what to go with.

I've heard that all the Scat lifters will pitt badly. I've also read in one of the books (dont remember if it was the interchange manual, the same authors performance book, or the How to hotrod book) that I should not use lightweight lifters in an engine thats going to see long freeway use.

I've heard horror stories about almost every company, but I also noticed that a lot of these stories are "my cousins friend's former room mate's father knew this guy who..."

So what should I look to use as a bumpstick follower? These worth while?

Thanks for your help!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:12 pm    Post subject: Lifters Reply with quote

Use the scat lifters. They are just fine. If you use any kind of a cam, the scat lifters provide extra clearence. If you're using a stock cam, use Mahle lifters.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the cam will be a web cam 86b using 1.4:1 rockers.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have always used Scat lifters. Proper engine break-in is the key to good cam/lifter life.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will be purchaseing a Webcam for my engine.
I'm also a little freaked about the lifter damage stories.
I will also get the lifters from them.Hopefully they will cover any cam & lifter damage that happens if I get both from them.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vwracerdave wrote:
I have always used Scat lifters. Proper engine break-in is the key to good cam/lifter life.


I fully agree with on a good breakin but the fact that were making 60 HP motors pump out triple or quadruple or even more HP than the stock motors it puts major stress on the components.

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As you can see theres one ugly pit on one lifter and the other pic you can see the start of other pits. I'd say those virgin reground scats had a ballpark of 3000-4000 miles on them.

I wouldn't be suprised to see pits on any scat lifter. That lifter will almost always breakin beautifully but it will surely pit starting from the dead center of the lifter head and then spread. I looked closely at my set of reground scats and 4 had pits and the other 4 had a hot spot in the center and those would have surely started to pit if I left them in my motor. I am very particular with oil changes and zinc content of the oil so its not a oil quality issue. I've shifted that engine at 7200rpms so I highly doubt my chevy valvetrain would experience valve float either. My chevy valvetrain has aprox 350ish at the nose of the cam. The worse pit I had was on the exhaust side which is the lighter valve compared to the intake.

I wouldn't get freaked out with lifter issues. With aircooled performance you PLAY and you PAY. If the scats dont pit I'd be extremely suprised. Just look at lifters as a maintenance thing.

As I mentioned I highly doubt the lifters will look bad from the start (immediately after breakin). After the magical 3000+ mile mark thats when alot of people have pitting issues. Pits may occur but the critical thing is if it makes the cam go flat and deprives HP thats when its a problem. Most people running Scats have no idea of the condition unless they actually pull the engine out and remove a barrel and look in.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So most everyone is saying scat is bad and there is proof, but what is a good lifter?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shit man I ain't building no pro stock engine, just a mild street motor with under 200HP.

I really don't want to pull the engine apart every 3000 miles as regular maintenance Evil or Very Mad and I sure as hell don't want to cough up the bucks for a ceramic lifter either.

I did post my concerns in another post on lifters and someone chimed in and pointed me to a fellow from Europe who sells Stossel lifters.
I got in touch with him and was seriously considering purchaseing a set right up untill the time he told me the price.
230 Euro's + another 55 for shipping.That equals $349.50 US Shocked

There simply has to be another answer out there.

Someone also said the key to lifter and cam life is material hardness compatibility.So I was hoping that IF Webcam sells Scatt lifters they would be compatible Pray
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used stock reground German lifters in my 2276. I have found that in this case, for the price, no one did it better than the O.E. German lifters. Of course, they need to be reground correctly.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you cryo'd a set of Scat (or others) lifters, would that prolong the life and reduce the pitting problem? Cryo is pretty cheap opposed to a teardown or failure.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you are buying a web cam follow their specs and use the web lifters...
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