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vanis13
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 Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:04 pm Post subject: 24 x 16 AC Condenser Air Conditioning |
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Gonna give this one a try. Looks like it will jjjjust clear the radiator temp switch with a little trimming
20% increase over existing 16x20
+64 sq in = + 20% = 64/320
320 sq in = 16x20
384 sq in = 16x24
It is 16" x 24" I believe an 18"x24" would fit with the height but I couldn't find one.
16x24
https://www.ebay.com/itm/334922079832
My 16x20 install thread from 2010 https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4776892#4776892
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MarkWard
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:07 pm Post subject: Re: 24 x 16 AC Condenser Air Conditioning |
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I’ll have to research the size. Instead of attaching to the radiator, I attached to the body. I used existing holes in the nose for my brackets. I used weatherstrip foam to bridge the gap between the rad and condenser. It happens to be a foam, that when unwound from the roll expands quite a bit. Probably from Lowe’s.
16x 22 with 18” core. |
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vanis13
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:26 pm Post subject: Re: 24 x 16 AC Condenser Air Conditioning |
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| MarkWard wrote: |
I’ll have to research the size.
16x 22 with 18” core. |
, Based on the clearance you have by the rad switch it can't be a 24
Measurement is from outside of tubes without mounting tabs
The 24 has a 22" core so 4 more inches than the one in your pic. Yours would be a 20"
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skills@eurocarsplus
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:02 pm Post subject: Re: 24 x 16 AC Condenser Air Conditioning |
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why are you changing it? are you chasing a problem?
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vanis13
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: 24 x 16 AC Condenser Air Conditioning |
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had a compressor crap out. don't know what I'll find inside. Can't flush parallel so a good opportunity to replace.
used to be nice an cold, last year not so much - could have been compressor, could be something else, could be global warming - no reason not to go bigger so I'm going bigger.
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MarkWard
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: 24 x 16 AC Condenser Air Conditioning |
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| I recall the lower 90 degree fitting limited how close I could move the condenser to the left. Seems to keep the factory routing, the frame rail limited the location. |
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vanis13
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:50 pm Post subject: Re: 24 x 16 AC Condenser Air Conditioning |
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| MarkWard wrote: |
| I recall the lower 90 degree fitting limited how close I could move the condenser to the left. Seems to keep the factory routing, the frame rail limited the location. |
Guess we'll see!
Got a rad switch and it jjjjjust fits!
Will have to trim the mounting tab around the switch.....hope the 90deg fitting isn't an issue.
.....do I have to change my signature until I get the AC going again 😭
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dhaavers
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: 24 x 16 AC Condenser Air Conditioning |
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Do you have the full set of baffles to install around the condenser?
Mark’s point about foam, sealing to the radiator is equally valid…
As long as you’re going for it, I say go for it! 
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vanis13
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: 24 x 16 AC Condenser Air Conditioning |
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| dhaavers wrote: |
| Do you have the full set of baffles to install around the condenser? |
I do and with this condenser, I will have to make new ones since the original baffles go to the edge of the radiator core and this condenser is wider than that...I'll come up with something and will share pictures
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big swifty
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| Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2023 8:38 am Post subject: Re: 24 x 16 AC Condenser Air Conditioning |
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I have been completely rebuilding/refurbishing my 87 aircon with all new barrier hoses, EZ clip fittings, etc. I was looking for a new parallel flow condenser and inadvertantly ordered a 24x16...D'OH!  .
I routed my hoses to the PS, trimmed the flange for the fan switch, and was able to utilize the larger unit.
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vanis13
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| Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2023 2:45 pm Post subject: Re: 24 x 16 AC Condenser Air Conditioning |
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Nice to see it can fit!
Interesting your connection is on the passenger side. My 83.5 and my friends 90 that I work on both have it on the driver's side.
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big swifty
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| Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2023 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: 24 x 16 AC Condenser Air Conditioning |
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Connection is on driver side.
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big swifty
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| Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2023 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: 24 x 16 AC Condenser Air Conditioning |
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Deleted.
posted to wrong thread
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vanis13
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| Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2023 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: 24 x 16 AC Condenser Air Conditioning |
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| big swifty wrote: |
| Connection is on driver side. |
Do you have a right hand drive van? I see on the right in your picture the radiator switch. That is the left side as sitting in the van which is the driver's side in the USA.
The condenser connection in your photo is on the left of the picture which is the right sitting in the van, which is where the passenger sits in the USA.
My condenser connections are on the side where the radiator switch is.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:44 am Post subject: Re: 24 x 16 AC Condenser Air Conditioning |
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I was flustered, sorry for the misunderstanding. LHD. I was thinking about the rad fan switch. I flipped the condenser and routed the lines to the passenger side.
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vanis13
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| Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:43 pm Post subject: Re: 24 x 16 AC Condenser Air Conditioning |
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It fits!
The 24*16 is a juuuust right.
Will button it up later. These pics are with a behr radiator. I have a diff brand where the passenger side is proud of the core only at the bottom and top. On y he e behr it doesn't look like any trimming is needed on the pass side. Yes, the radiator switch is close. Likely need to move the radiator back to replace.
Helped to bend the lower pipe to clear the steering box. This is an early AC, IIRC the later AC has a closer fitting so will likely fit w.o bend.
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vanis13
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| Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:24 pm Post subject: Re: 24 x 16 AC Condenser Air Conditioning |
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| big swifty wrote: |
I have been completely rebuilding/refurbishing my 87 aircon with all new barrier hoses, EZ clip fittings, etc. I was looking for a new parallel flow condenser and inadvertantly ordered a 24x16...D'OH! .
I routed my hoses to the PS, trimmed the flange for the fan switch, and was able to utilize the larger unit.
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Can you send a picture of the top connection?
I'm also going to flip my condenser with the fittings on the passenger side but the top fitting doesn't fit well against the radiator bulge.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2023 10:37 am Post subject: Re: 24 x 16 AC Condenser Air Conditioning |
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Not the greatest pics. This one shows the angle of the dangle. I used 90* fittings.
This one shows the coziness of the radiator.
Hope they help.
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vanis13
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| Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:02 pm Post subject: Re: 24 x 16 AC Condenser Air Conditioning |
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| big swifty wrote: |
This one shows the coziness of the radiator. Hope they help.
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Thanks, they do! Thanks for posting them.
How were you able to fit the side tube and still have the radiator in the top alignment pin?
What kind of radiator do you have?
I have a non-Berh so have only the bulge on top and bottom (the Berh has the bulge all the way top to bottom) - so on mine I was able to lower to get under it. With it up higher the radiator wouldn't align in the top pin. The fitting on the driver's side, it is not an issue with this bulge since just the mounting tab needs to clear.
Another solution may be to tilt the radiator back by inserting a spacer on the bottom mount tab between the tab and the frame and use longer bolts. That angle may allow for the clearance needed between the radiator bulge and the front center body horizontal beam....I didn't try this so just an idea.
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2025 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: 24 x 16 AC Condenser Air Conditioning |
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Can we clarify that these are the dimensions I can fit?
Or what would be the other option for condenser? Need to buy something local...
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