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bigfoot_ev Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2018 Posts: 160 Location: Anacortes, WA
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:01 pm Post subject: Advice needed on upper A pillar rust |
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I haven't done any body work before but I'm willing to take the time and effort if it makes sense. I have some rust bubbling up on the passenger A pillar of a 2003 Eurovan. By no surprise, this only happened after getting my windshield replaced a number of years ago using the Safelite home visit.
The advice I'm looking for is if it makes sense to repair this without removing the windshield. In other words, will the rust come back in short order because I'm not getting to the root of the problem? Or, is time, effort, and money better spent pulling the windshield, fixing the rust, and having a new windshield put in (a couple of rock chips in existing windshield)?
Here's what it looks like
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viiking Samba Member
Joined: May 10, 2013 Posts: 2670 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:39 pm Post subject: Re: Advice needed on upper A pillar rust |
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Rust rarely starts under the paintwork without external damage. I would highly suspect that the rust has started under the windscreen seal and the bubbling you see is the spreading rust from that initial rust.
If it were me I would at least remove the external bubbling rust to see what you have, but expect that the corrosion is much worse under the seal.
I believe that you will need to remove the windscreen and cut out the rust and weld in new steel and treat that area well before putting back the windscreen.
Even rust treating and filling with bog will probably result in the rust returning in a short time. _________________ 1968 1500 RHD Lotus White Beetle since birth. In the hospital for major surgery
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:44 pm Post subject: Re: Advice needed on upper A pillar rust |
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Pull the windshield. Let’s see how bad it is. _________________ Jimbo
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bigfoot_ev Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2018 Posts: 160 Location: Anacortes, WA
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 10:44 pm Post subject: Re: Advice needed on upper A pillar rust |
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Thanks for the advice. Not exactly what I was hoping to hear since I've never tackled removing a windshield either. I guess there's always a first time. Actually, after googling and reading and watching it doesn't sound that bad. It seems my choices for getting through the urethane using some HF tool are either cutting it out or sawing it out. I'm leaning toward sawing it out unless others have a better idea. |
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bomberbob Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2015 Posts: 688 Location: Iowa
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: Advice needed on upper A pillar rust |
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I had bubbles like that on my Jetta. I pulled the windshield because it was cracked and had to be replaced. There were rust holes under the windshield seal. It was pretty ugly. _________________ 1968 Beetle (storage)
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67ctbug Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: Advice needed on upper A pillar rust |
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You can have a glass company just remove the glass then come back and reinstall it. _________________ '67 Beetle L41
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Kafer_Mike Samba Member
Joined: June 23, 2004 Posts: 348 Location: Noblesville, IN
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2023 5:34 am Post subject: Re: Advice needed on upper A pillar rust |
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bigfoot_ev wrote: |
By no surprise, this only happened after getting my windshield replaced a number of years ago using the Safelite home visit |
They likely cut through the paint when removing the old window seal leaving exposed metal to rust. Have the windshield pulled and the area repaired properly. As mentioned, the windshield can be removed without breaking and reused. Hopefully, the rust it only topical and easily removed and/or neutralized and the area can simply be repaired and repainted; not structural. Good luck. _________________ Kafer_Mike
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bigfoot_ev Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2018 Posts: 160 Location: Anacortes, WA
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2023 8:50 am Post subject: Re: Advice needed on upper A pillar rust |
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67ctbug wrote: |
You can have a glass company just remove the glass then come back and reinstall it. |
Great suggestion! I came across this idea when watching a video from a UK fellow fixing his T4, it just never occurred to me. He had his insurance pay for the windshield replacement due to a crack. So, in addition to having help paying for the service of removing and putting in a new screen the windshield replacement company had this fancy tool that cut the urethane while the tech was seated inside the van. The tool just suctioned onto the inside of the windshield. I guess it took just minutes to get it out.
I'm definitely going to call my insurance company. Even if they won't pay for it I think it's worth calling glass companies. Then it's time to start collecting materials. I'm kind of excited. It's weird, I've always been intimidated by body work. In my past I've replaced engines, done major suspension rework, heck I even stripped my van interior and did a custom build but body work....noooo. |
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bigfoot_ev Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2018 Posts: 160 Location: Anacortes, WA
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: Advice needed on upper A pillar rust |
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I finally got the windshield removed. I needed one more fall camping trip first. I'm just starting on going after the rust around the windshield. While removing the old adhesive I noticed a crack in the A pillar to roof seam. I dug out the sealer and found rust in the seam. I was able to get to bare metal for what I could reach.
I can't reach all the rust to remove it. What is not clear in this photo is that down in the crack I also see some rust. What would people recommend on how to treat this?
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: Advice needed on upper A pillar rust |
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Ospho!
Get it on and in the crack. Let it run down inside, because you know the water did! _________________ Jimbo
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bigfoot_ev Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:52 pm Post subject: Re: Advice needed on upper A pillar rust |
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I like the idea of letting ospho running in and down. My only concern is that I understand I need to neutralize ospho before I apply my primer. That ultimately means washing the area with water or a dawn and water solution. Do I just hit it with a heat gun after that to make sure its nice and dry and not worry about what water may have gotten into the crack? That's hoping the ospho is dry and doing its job inside the crack. |
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 9974 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:12 am Post subject: Re: Advice needed on upper A pillar rust |
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bigfoot_ev wrote: |
I like the idea of letting ospho running in and down. My only concern is that I understand I need to neutralize ospho before I apply my primer. That ultimately means washing the area with water or a dawn and water solution. Do I just hit it with a heat gun after that to make sure its nice and dry and not worry about what water may have gotten into the crack? That's hoping the ospho is dry and doing its job inside the crack. |
Yep. You will be treating more rust than adding to it. I would use a squirt bottle to apply the Ospho. Fine mist and allow the crack to take the product in naturally. That way you limit the chances of creating new spots. You will need to scrap off the flaky rust area at the window flange. Those big surface chunks are hiding the active rust. Then brush on the Ospho over there. You do not need to rinse away Ospho. You can go straight to primer.
Here are the directions.
https://www.ospho.com/directions.htm#:~:text=Merel...er%20paint _________________ Jimbo
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