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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:23 pm    Post subject: Are there any honest Volkswagen car shows! Reply with quote

Why are SoCal Volkswagen car shows a ďpubliclyĒ contest. I went to a show this weekend where half the cars that place were not a show quality cars. I mean that Concord deEligance level cars were snub for the voters friend or a club member car. Cars that placed had paint chips, bad chrome, bad interior package and a bad engine compartment. ReallyÖpoor quality cars!
Is very sad that the SoCal VW community excepts and supports this type of voting behavior!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 3:04 am    Post subject: Re: Are there any honest Volkswagen car shows! Reply with quote

99.99% are run by local clubs where members judge the cars.

Sounds like your taking these shows too seriously.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Are there any honest Volkswagen car shows! Reply with quote

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Do you mean the So Cal Treffen?

I believe this is a somewhat informal event and not an actual "Concours" event so you may want to contact the organizers to ask them their judging methods or if they had organized judging with scorecards, etc. - If you had a problem with judging.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 3:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Are there any honest Volkswagen car shows! Reply with quote

I can't speak on this particular show but I can tell you as someone who runs a show, without a club, just myself and a few friends, I'm often accused of rigging trophies, rigging raffles etc because someone thought they should have won.
I've even been accused of giving trophies to people "in my club" which I don't even have, when awards went to people from other states even.
So excuse me if I take this with a huge grain of salt.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:41 am    Post subject: Re: Are there any honest Volkswagen car shows! Reply with quote

Went to a recent big show here on the east coast and every award was preceded with the words " I've know this guy for20 whatever years" said by the presenter.
I left after the 5th one. No big deal
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:45 am    Post subject: Re: Are there any honest Volkswagen car shows! Reply with quote

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Went to a recent big show here on the east coast and every award was preceded with the words " I've know this guy for20 whatever years" said by the presenter.
I left after the 5th one. No big deal


Well, to be fair, thatís true if youíre involved in the scene for a long
Time. At the show I run, many of the regular participants Iíve known for years, some of them 20 years. This isnít just local people. Thereís folks who live hundreds of miles away Iíve known since I was 16 and Iím 38 now. Just for sure Iíve been going to shows for that long. It doesnít have an effect on who wins though.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:48 am    Post subject: Re: Are there any honest Volkswagen car shows! Reply with quote

For the past 25 years, Iíve run a VW show in Boston, MA called Transporterfest. Hereís what I find works well to keep the judging fair:

We give peopleís choice ballots to every show car driver at registration. No ballots for spectators or vendors. We try to Ďx-outí the class that your vehicle is in, so you only vote for other classes. Occasionally someone will vote for their own car Rolling Eyes , but not very often. That vote is disregarded.

You must turn in your ballot to get your dash plaque. This insures that we get a high percentage of ballots back.

It takes a couple hours to go through the ballots and find the winners. I only do 7-8 classes though, more classes would complicate the process.

Year after year, I find that the best cars at the show, get the awards. Even if you arrive late, or have a Ďworkingí double cab, the other car owners will vote for what they like that day.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2023 1:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Are there any honest Volkswagen car shows! Reply with quote

Some people take shows too seriously.

At the 2008 Charlotte Transporter show I won Best Bay Passenger since there were no Bay Passenger buses entered. I rode down with Rob (aka Mr. Breeze), hence I was the passenger in a Bay Window Bus.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:29 am    Post subject: Re: Are there any honest Volkswagen car shows! Reply with quote

Either you're upset you didn't win, or you're taking the shows too seriously.

Who cares about the trophy? Most of them will get tossed in the trash anyway.

Often times, the cars are judged by common folks, regular people like you and I. They won't know the ins and outs, and nuanced details of every model.

At my show, I just reach out to the "leaders" of the local clubs in the region. I provide an award and assign each area club a class. They pick their favorite car. Easy.

I appreciate your efforts for an "honest" judge, but the measure of many of these show cars - the rubric if you will - is too flexible. We're not dealing with concourse cars here.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2023 6:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Are there any honest Volkswagen car shows! Reply with quote

Anyone who takes their time to organize a show for the VW community in 2023 deserves a massive round of applause. I just attend the shows but I am old enough to see the effort thatís put into coordinating them. There are clearly a lot of volunteers to make these events happen and the fact that not everybody is willing to do it shows that itís not a retirement fund maker.

Good on those that do this stuff.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2023 9:37 am    Post subject: Re: Are there any honest Volkswagen car shows! Reply with quote

So, What your question is : Honest "Judged" Volkswagen Car Shows?

Ballots, Classes, 1-3 place, Awards, etc., ... most Shows today don't have volunteers to judge or maintain the voting count, seems to be people's choice awards and usually have the "Best of Class" only. Makes it so simple.
Usually the Car Show posts on their Flyer, Club Website or Facebook Page what the Car Show details are, Judged, Classes, Awards, etc.

These days I'm just happy to see any VW gatherings, events, swaps ... There always a good time!

People's Choice Awards are Fun, to promote your vehicle, have some unique trinket to hand out that everyone has to have, especially if it has something to do with the Event ! ... Speak Volkswagen !
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 4:53 am    Post subject: Re: Are there any honest Volkswagen car shows! Reply with quote

Stanagon wrote:
For the past 25 years, Iíve run a VW show in Boston, MA called Transporterfest. Hereís what I find works well to keep the judging fair:

We give peopleís choice ballots to every show car driver at registration. No ballots for spectators or vendors. We try to Ďx-outí the class that your vehicle is in, so you only vote for other classes. Occasionally someone will vote for their own car Rolling Eyes , but not very often. That vote is disregarded.

You must turn in your ballot to get your dash plaque. This insures that we get a high percentage of ballots back.

It takes a couple hours to go through the ballots and find the winners. I only do 7-8 classes though, more classes would complicate the process.

Year after year, I find that the best cars at the show, get the awards. Even if you arrive late, or have a Ďworkingí double cab, the other car owners will vote for what they like that day.
Love the way you do this Stan. And to the author... X whatever, you are taking these shows WAY to seriously! As an example when I have a chance to vote, I will say 80 percent of the time rather vote for a really decent car that is obviously driven regularly over one that for sure spends very little time actually on the streets.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Are there any honest Volkswagen car shows! Reply with quote

We have put on the VW Harvest show in Leander, Texas every 3rd Weekend in October since 2010.

We give every registered VW(which is free, we do not charge to come to the Harvest) a ballot. On the ballot is a spot for top 3 picks at the show.
So we get quite a stack back but key in the votes rather quickly and the results are the results.

The folks at the show pick the Top 10. It has worked for us, keep it simple.
The Harvest is more of a gathering than prizes for best 63-67 'vert, or dune buggy, for example. Just wanted to share how we do it.

There is certainly room for all types of shows in our VW Community.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 5:32 am    Post subject: Re: Are there any honest Volkswagen car shows! Reply with quote

Iíve seen a few ďTrophy WhoresĒ come Unhinged when they didnít get the trophy they thought they deserved, and made complete whiney, little asses of themselves in the process.
I always thought there should be some sort of Whiner Award for these people.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2024 10:16 am    Post subject: Re: Are there any honest Volkswagen car shows! Reply with quote

With so much to say here, my 2 pennies... Think

"Honest": I've helped put on quite a few shows and had been asked to judge too. For me it sucks to do either insofar as it is a thankless job and you get complained about for both. When judging, I don't care how "top notch" you car is, if you set it up with numerous plaques and trophies, I'll pass on it for another one that presents the car as it is by itself. As far as "complaining", I myself was not in agreement in receiving an award at the VW Classic for my Dormy when I knew there was a much nicer one in the show! But accepted it anyway. Neutral

We all put in some serious and expensive work on our rides and while it is super cool to get the recognition in an award form, I enjoy the personal comments when talking with people while in the show. Cool


Now for those who get upset about any of it, they have 2 problems. Getting upset and getting over it! Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2024 12:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Are there any honest Volkswagen car shows! Reply with quote

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Iíve seen a few ďTrophy WhoresĒ come Unhinged when they didnít get the trophy they thought they deserved, and made complete whiney, little asses of themselves in the process.
I always thought there should be some sort of Whiner Award for these people.

Plenty of used ones for sale on ebay.
https://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_nkw=vintage+car+trophies&Brand=&_dcat=418
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Are there any honest Volkswagen car shows! Reply with quote

Itís the variety and diversity of folks that own vintage VWs and who bring them to shows that makes our life choice a good one. From the folks that refuse to pony up the admission fee and leave their cars in the general population parking areas outside of the shows to the owners that have taken their cars to the next level and beyond and can be seen with mirrors under their cars and chrome polish and a buffer rag making those last minute spit and shines. All get two thumbs up from me.

The trophies are generally issued at the end of the show and those that hang around no doubt do so to spice up their weekend.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Are there any honest Volkswagen car shows! Reply with quote

gondiwindi wrote:
The trophies are generally issued at the end of the show and those that hang around no doubt do so to spice up their weekend.

Or looking for bargains in the swap area. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 8:42 am    Post subject: Re: Are there any honest Volkswagen car shows! Reply with quote

I love all car shows, and every car that attends whether they be beater daily drivers or concourse show cars. I enjoy them all.

I attended a rather large car show in Yuma last weekend, called "Midnight at the Oasis". There were all imaginable kinds of cars being shown, including a number of VWs. Condition ranged from pristine to daily driver wreck. I chatted with a lot of the folks about their cars. Most classic car enthusiasts are pretty much the same, regardless of the type of car they own, and love to talk about cars in general. Coming together with like-minded folks that share the same interests as I do is one of the big reasons I attend these shows.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 6:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Are there any honest Volkswagen car shows! Reply with quote

Car shows are supposed to be fun I thought. Iíve never given 2 shits about a trophy, lucky to win a third place😂 Iíve judged but the most ridiculous example of trophy whore crybaby was a couple sore losers that went and bought a brand new VW. They drove to the show entered in class and didnít win either. Boo hoo.
Iíve got most respect for daily drivers with stone chips and wear, maybe leaking a drop of oil. Maybe low mile one one owner, provenance means more than concurs in my world. I belonged to the Lincoln Continental Owners club for a few years and that was too much for me. They checked date codes and grease paint factory marks. Really uptight guys the shows were more like business meetings.

They started doing a show here about 5 years ago and itís growing because itís family oriented they have live music, camping, swaps, food and they let any and all cars into the show.

Two weeks ago I attended 50th annual Starbirds Custom Rod and Car show that draws people in from all over the world 28 bucks to get in keeps some of the riff raff out, except me🤣.

They had some of the best show cars Iíve seen. One in particular was built in 1960 has been in numerous magazines since then. Then it dawned on me this thing has been in museums and touring since early 60s millions have seen it. But to me itís worthless. You couldnít take and beat the shit out of it like I do my car. Then again thereís a seat made for every ass so itís cool.😀


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