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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 6:23 am    Post subject: Sudden transitory power loss Reply with quote

Hey everyone, greetings from this side of the pond!

I have a transient power loss issue in my ‘72 Bay. Three times now there’s been a sudden noticeable power loss, where the engine doesn’t cut out straight away but will no longer respond to the throttle; the dash lights don’t go on until I stop, at which point the engine stalls. I then wait for a few seconds, fire him up and off we go, no problem. There’s been the suggestion over here that the fuel pump might be starting to go, but there are no other obvious symptoms. Or might it be the coil starting to fail? Any suggestions grateful received.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 7:41 am    Post subject: Re: Sudden transitory power loss Reply with quote

I'd start with clogged fuel filter and or fuel line. Gas seeps past the obstruction to start motor but when you demand more fuel it can't deliver.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 7:55 am    Post subject: Re: Sudden transitory power loss Reply with quote

A failing coil wouldn't suddenly recover after a few seconds of sitting, I'd be looking around for someone to borrow one of those snake style inspection cameras off of, sounds like there's a floatie in the tank.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 8:22 am    Post subject: Re: Sudden transitory power loss Reply with quote

Thanks. I did wonder about the fuel filter letting through little bits of crud that temporarily block the key before being flushed though. The current filter was only fitted last year, and I haven’t don’t that much mileage, but worth a look
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 8:22 am    Post subject: Re: Sudden transitory power loss Reply with quote

Jet, not key!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:26 am    Post subject: Re: Sudden transitory power loss Reply with quote

I would also check for things like the mechanical fuel pump pivot pin falling out or almost falling out, as well as a filter blockage.

An adhesive label off an aftermarket fuel tank level sender can create this symptom too, floats around, blocks the outlet as the fuel pump sucks it down. You stop and it drifts off as the fuel pump stops sucking. Drive on, no problem until it floats around again.



And if you have an electronic ignition module, these can sometimes fail with age (anything from straight out of the box to years..) and they can become very temperature sensitive.. slow down, airflow changes around distributor, distributor warms up slightly. Electronic module overheats. You stop, it cools down, restart engine, keep driving, no problem...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2024 7:41 am    Post subject: Re: Sudden transitory power loss Reply with quote

I’ve just remembered that I do possess an endoscope and will take a look in the tank - floatie theory sounds plausible.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2024 9:20 am    Post subject: Re: Sudden transitory power loss Reply with quote

I don't know if it's the same with a '72 but my '71 has the sock filter inside the gas tank at the outlet. Not sure if that's the filter you mentioned being fitted last year but if not, don't forget about that one. It has been said by many that this filter can be omitted entirely if you're running an in-line filter further down the line.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:31 am    Post subject: Re: Sudden transitory power loss Reply with quote

The filter i mentioned is an inline filter. Easy to replace. I don't know if there's an outlet filter in the tank, which was new 5 years ago. Would that be a standard part?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2024 1:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Sudden transitory power loss Reply with quote

Akasharaja wrote:
Would that be a standard part?

If it was a genuine VW NOS part, "new" aftermarket means most likely no screen on the inlet.
Crawl under and look at the bottom of the tank where the line comes out, is there a large (~19mm) hex nut where it meets the tank?, or just a smooth nipple welded to the metal? Nut means filter, smooth means you are SOL.

Smooth also means fuel leaves the tank through a single 7-8mm hole, easy to block with a floatie like some of the plastic that sometimes peels off the seal on a bottle of fuel system cleaner, or a label like already mentioned, or some other gift a passerby deposited in your gas filler. It sucks down tight on the tip of the pipe and kills the engine, then when the suction stops it floats away and it runs normally, until the next time the evil swimmer nears the outlet.

I have temporarily solved that problem by shoving 4-5" of mechanics wire up into the inlet, the end of the wire sticking out of the pipe makes it hard for the floatie to make a good seal, but getting the offending detritus out of the tank is always the best long term fix.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2024 2:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Sudden transitory power loss Reply with quote

Little more diagnosis needed

Next time you feel the power loss, quickly drop the clutch and see if the lights come one right away. I ll bet they do.

Leaving the clutch engaged means the motor is still turning over and the lights will stay off, even though the engine has 'stopped'
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