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Sodo Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2007 Posts: 9635 Location: Western WA
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:07 pm Post subject: Sink drain and kitchen drawer upgrade |
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Here's the project.
Many have done this but here's my story.
The sink trap takes up a lot of drawer space and is unnecessary if you have no graywater tank.
If you have a graywater tank,, and empty it every weekend, the trap is not necessary.
Here's the drain that I bought: $21 on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002FPEDEW
This is how the '90 Westy trap comes apart.
I didn't like the way the drain was shaped. So I flattened it to fit better.
A CV joint cage is the right diameter.
I pressed it into some thin carpet to concave the rim just a little.
I used Permatex Ultra Gray sealant (It's a tough silicone).
The old trap .vs. new drain.
On my '90, the drain hose fits the new drain real tight.
I had to put grease on it to slip it on.
Next project is to enlarge the drawer and delete the "U". _________________
'90 Westy EJ25, 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered gearbox
....KTMs, GasGas, SPOT mtb
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Californio Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2007 Posts: 1307
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:19 am Post subject: Re: Another Westy Sink drain and drawer upgrade |
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Totally logical. You have to wonder why, given all their Teutonic engineering proficiency, the Westfalia folks put in that unnecessary drain fitting to begin with.
I wonder if a new drawer couldn't be made a bit deeper as well as U-free.
Enterprising kit-makers should be all over this. _________________ 1987 Syncro Westy/2.0L Tiico |
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Sodo Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2007 Posts: 9635 Location: Western WA
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:29 am Post subject: Re: Another Westy Sink drain and drawer upgrade |
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Yes I bet a lot of people would buy a kit of "enlarged drawer plus drain".
It drains like a sumb*tch now, you can swish food particles down the drainpipe which is now downhill all the way.
Interestingly I found nothing - zero food particles, nor sand, caught in my drain trap.
But a kit would have to be a complete drawer, including the drawer-front. Perhaps robbing the original drawer latch to installinto the new drawer.
Californio wrote: |
Totally logical. You have to wonder why, given all their Teutonic engineering proficiency, the Westfalia folks put in that unnecessary drain fitting to begin with. |
Likely a "requirement" for recreational vehicle importation, along with the 110v plug-in etc.
Would be great if someone can share 'max-sensible' drawer dimensions! _________________
'90 Westy EJ25, 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered gearbox
....KTMs, GasGas, SPOT mtb |
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jimf909 Samba Member
Joined: April 03, 2014 Posts: 7485 Location: WA/ID
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:32 am Post subject: Re: Another Westy Sink drain and drawer upgrade |
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As usual, well done. Are those LED lights inside the cabinet? I love it.
Is the top pic before and the bottom pic after? Is the top pic fully tightened? I guess both have a moat that needs attention to cleaning. My experience is that the moat collects deposits from the last bit of water sitting there as it evaporates.
Looking forward to the drawer mod. A two level drawer is appealing. _________________ - Jim
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Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17163 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:07 pm Post subject: Re: Another Westy Sink drain and drawer upgrade |
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I don't think I uploaded a picture, but I ran the sink hose behind the rear panel and put a 90 bulkhead through the metal floor under the false floor. Really opens the area for kitchen stuff. _________________ ☮️ |
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Sodo Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2007 Posts: 9635 Location: Western WA
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: Westy Sink drain and drawer upgrade |
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jimf909 wrote: |
Is the top pic fully tightened? I guess both have a moat that needs attention to cleaning. My experience is that the moat collects deposits from the last bit of water sitting there as it evaporates. |
Good point.
Rather than bending the drain flange, it could be better to "bend the sink hole edge" downward.
I would do that method "next time".
Mark I'd like to see how that drain was done.
I want to remove that little 2" high step. _________________
'90 Westy EJ25, 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered gearbox
....KTMs, GasGas, SPOT mtb |
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Sodo Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2007 Posts: 9635 Location: Western WA
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 11:58 am Post subject: Re: Sink drain and kitchen drawer upgrade |
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While I wait for drawer inspiration to coalesce...
I thought it might be prudent to move the sink drain.
Then the drawer can be designed around the drain.
Studying the options I spied a hole leftover from the propane fridge....
Note the space available adjacent of the drawer.
The stove-propane pipe clears the drawer.
I’m thinking I can use a smaller pipe than that fat 29mm.
I have 17mm (~5/ black garden irrigation pipe. _________________
'90 Westy EJ25, 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered gearbox
....KTMs, GasGas, SPOT mtb
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Timwhy Samba Member
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Sodo Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2007 Posts: 9635 Location: Western WA
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 1:35 pm Post subject: Re: Sink drain and kitchen drawer upgrade |
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Timwhy this drain mod is lookin good!
The main benefit is more space in the bottom floor of the cabinet.
Up at the drawer, it's like this:
Here's Terry's drawer mod to accommodate this same drain.
He built a new bigger drawer.
Need to go to the store and find a step-down adapter.
Hoping it won't clog at the stepdown.
The smaller pipe is a little bigger than the drain-strainer holes.
And it's all easy access if it did plug.
3/4" step-drill did the deed for the new drain pipe ! _________________
'90 Westy EJ25, 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered gearbox
....KTMs, GasGas, SPOT mtb
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Timwhy Samba Member
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DeLvxe Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2019 Posts: 106 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 9:37 pm Post subject: Re: Sink drain and kitchen drawer upgrade |
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Moving the drain will give you some more room, but it isn’t necessary. I achieved 90% of the same benefit by installing an “L” fitting in the floor and running the drain hose roughly horizontally.
_________________ 1991 manual camper with EJ25 |
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MsTaboo Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2006 Posts: 4100 Location: East Kootenay, British Columbia
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 10:31 pm Post subject: Re: Sink drain and kitchen drawer upgrade |
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Yep, that's basically what I did with the drain, in addition I remade the shelf to maximize every square inch.
Back in 2011 I tried just removing the drawer and making an additional shelf which gave more room but less convenience.
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'90 Syncro Westy 3 knob w/Zetec
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jimf909 Samba Member
Joined: April 03, 2014 Posts: 7485 Location: WA/ID
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 10:34 pm Post subject: Re: Sink drain and kitchen drawer upgrade |
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DeLvxe wrote: |
Moving the drain will give you some more room, but it isn’t necessary. |
Unnecessary things are good too, sometimes more so. _________________ - Jim
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Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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Sodo Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2007 Posts: 9635 Location: Western WA
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 10:58 pm Post subject: Re: Sink drain and kitchen drawer upgrade |
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It's more than the drain hose, it's deleting that riser-shelf of wasted space on the cabinet floor.
Which gracefully donated it's organs to the floor plug. _________________
'90 Westy EJ25, 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered gearbox
....KTMs, GasGas, SPOT mtb
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DeLvxe Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2019 Posts: 106 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 8:15 am Post subject: Re: Sink drain and kitchen drawer upgrade |
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jimf909 wrote: |
DeLvxe wrote: |
Moving the drain will give you some more room, but it isn’t necessary. |
Unnecessary things are good too, sometimes more so. |
Don’t think I haven’t been thinking about moving my drain since Tom posted! _________________ 1991 manual camper with EJ25 |
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Sodo Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2007 Posts: 9635 Location: Western WA
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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 8:43 am Post subject: Re: Sink drain and kitchen drawer upgrade |
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For the always-increasing-project pile.....you know who you are....
Here's the details of my project in one pic for your files.
Enlarging the silverware drawer has been on my list for a long time, but I hadn't thought about moving the drain outlet....
until going under the van.....
and noticing that un-occupied propane hole.
Thanks for all who inspired this,
and those who will improve upon it, good on ya!
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Enlarging the propane hole to 3/4"
Here's the "before" pics.
And here's the pic 'yall wanted to see.
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Next phase is the drawer enlargement.
Delvxe built his own drawer but he says a pre-made wooden drawer box of this size can be had for about $35 + $20 shipping.
I have a tablesaw and a router, I'll build one, and include my dimensions. _________________
'90 Westy EJ25, 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered gearbox
....KTMs, GasGas, SPOT mtb |
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Sodo Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: Sink drain and kitchen drawer upgrade |
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Built the drawer today. All done on the table saw.
Dowels replaced with screw-heads potted in glue.
I wonder how long it will take to dry in the dowel holes.
Drawer mostly done.
I have to cutout the back a little to clear the new low-profile drain. _________________
'90 Westy EJ25, 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered gearbox
....KTMs, GasGas, SPOT mtb |
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Honuak Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:13 am Post subject: Re: Sink drain and kitchen drawer upgrade |
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Sodo
Can you share a link to that Amazon drain?
I'm about to start this project. I love the idea of a real drawer.
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jimf909 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:08 am Post subject: Re: Sink drain and kitchen drawer upgrade |
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Nice writeup for folks who hate to see good space go unused.
I'm sure you considered many options for securing the Westy drawer face to the Sodo drawer but cam locks are one way to make it easily reversable and eliminate the glue-up. Thanks, IKEA.
https://www.amazon.com/furniture-cam-locks/s?k=furniture+cam+locks
_________________ - Jim
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Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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Sodo Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2024 2:59 pm Post subject: Re: Sink drain and kitchen drawer upgrade |
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Honuak wrote: |
I love the idea of a real drawer.
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Here's the drain I bought on Amazon.
Lots of sellers offer the same unit.
Some of the other sellers include dimensions and richer info for less $$.
but the seller I bought from was a lazy ass.
jimf909 wrote: |
I'm sure you considered many options for securing the Westy drawer face to the Sodo drawer but cam locks are..... |
Dangit, I did not. I was focused on gluing screw-heads.
There's always a better way!
I did the cutout to clear the new lower profile drain.
Some photoshopping to show new vs old.
You can see the increase in depth and the new area under the drain.
With some effort and moving hoses/wires in the back it could be made another inch deeper.
I'm happy that the $62 ! drawer organizers still fit.
They have been a great help, especially the 2nd level sliding tray.
Maybe I’ll glue all the trays together. My wife is going to say “take out the square box & bring a real can opener”.
Man......what am I gonna do with all this new drawer space?
Funny how it’s not really very much space…. 20%??
But that “U” thing bugged me like a wart and I like it gone.
And that false-floor-step in the lower cabinet too. _________________
'90 Westy EJ25, 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered gearbox
....KTMs, GasGas, SPOT mtb
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