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jwallis Samba Member
Joined: March 02, 2012 Posts: 569 Location: Austin
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:01 am Post subject: High quality wheel cylinders? |
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Does anyone have a source for wheel cylinders that last more that 7 years? Partsgeek.com appears to have actual ATE brand cylinders (I have ATE brakes) but they also have 3 different parts... Which may all be the same part of course. Does anyone have a trusted source?
https://www.partsgeek.com/catalog/1984/volkswagen/vanagon/brake/wheel_cylinder.html _________________ TheVanTracker.com - Kill Switch + GPS Tracker + Door-open alerts, made specifically for the Vanagon!
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jlrftype7 Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2018 Posts: 3586 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:07 am Post subject: Re: High quality wheel cylinders? |
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I have installed these from Van Cafe. No expiration date that I’ve experienced, but they’ve only been installed since late 2018 or early 2019.
https://vancafe.com/rear-wheel-cylinder/ _________________ '68 Westy- my first VW and vehicle/Bus- long gone.- sold it to a traveling Swiss couple....
'67 Type 3 Fastback, my 2nd car- gone
'69 Semi-Auto Stick Shift Beetle-gone
2017 MINI Coopers, our current DDs
‘84 Tin Top - Hilga....Auto |
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ALIKA T3 Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2009 Posts: 6372 Location: Honolulu,Hawaii and France
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:48 am Post subject: Re: High quality wheel cylinders? |
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ATE RWC are the best.
But you also have to clean your hydraulic circuit, the reservoir, the proprotioning valve and replace the brake fluid on the recommended interval. That's what will kill them.
I found an old VW original cylinder the other day on a parts van.
Made by FAG. Been sitting for ages. Damn it didn't look half bad, I'm sure some new seals and polishing would get it going
The boots 211611461A were still in good shape!
The piston part number, which was nowhere to be found online bc it's NLA, 211611677C
It's sad to think the slightest parts were rebuildable back then.
Such a wastefull throw away society we live in now _________________ Silicone Steering Boots and 930 Cv boots for sale in the classifieds.
Syncro transmission upgrade parts in the Classifieds.
Subaru EJ22+UN1 5 speed transmission
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416343
Syncro http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4...num+gadget |
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2008 Posts: 9961 Location: Orbiting San Diego
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:51 am Post subject: Re: High quality wheel cylinders? |
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Understand that many of the online places don't actually stock much, they are just salesmen for various larger wholesale parts suppliers.
So they can show the same part with different prices and descriptions because they are coming from 3 different suppliers.
I hope you give some business to Vancafe and other VANAGON parts places as that helps us all in the long run.
Mark
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2008 Posts: 9961 Location: Orbiting San Diego
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:55 am Post subject: Re: High quality wheel cylinders? |
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This photo shows a WRONG position of the adjuster forked end.
The long side of the fork go inside so it can bottom out in the shoe slot.
Mark
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jwallis Samba Member
Joined: March 02, 2012 Posts: 569 Location: Austin
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 3:11 pm Post subject: Re: High quality wheel cylinders? |
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crazyvwvanman wrote: |
I hope you give some business to Vancafe and other VANAGON parts places as that helps us all in the long run.
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Yeah I get that some sites have listings from multiple catalogs all kind of thrown together, it took me a few viewings to figure that out.
Haven't shopped there in a while, looks like they offer true ATE. I've been over GW for a long time, they sell way too hard for my taste. If you don't buy this particular seal from them and them alone, you are sure to spontaneously combust, even if your van doesn't.
Thank you both- _________________ TheVanTracker.com - Kill Switch + GPS Tracker + Door-open alerts, made specifically for the Vanagon!
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2008 Posts: 10383 Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 7:13 pm Post subject: Re: High quality wheel cylinders? |
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Looks like Bus Depot has ATE wheel cylinders:
https://www.busdepot.com/211611047fat
Neil. _________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
1988 West DIY 50º ABA
VE7TBN |
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4Gears4Tires Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2018 Posts: 3080 Location: MD
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: High quality wheel cylinders? |
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If you pay for shipping, I will send you my wheel cylinders. They were maybe 2 years old. I swapped to GoWesty rear disc brakes. I had zero problems with them. _________________ '87 Syncro
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do.dah Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2015 Posts: 449 Location: Washington
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: High quality wheel cylinders? |
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crazyvwvanman wrote: |
This photo shows a WRONG position of the adjuster forked end.
The long side of the fork go inside so it can bottom out in the shoe slot.
Mark
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THANK YOU THANK YOU!! For this little tidbit of precious info.
I have always slightly, wondered if I had my vanagon brakes assembled correctly, despite what i saw in the bentley...
I DID/HAVE!!
I have now printed this pic with your note, and added it to my bentley as proof positive.
Than you! |
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2008 Posts: 9961 Location: Orbiting San Diego
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Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:46 am Post subject: Re: High quality wheel cylinders? |
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ALIKA T3 Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2009 Posts: 6372 Location: Honolulu,Hawaii and France
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:10 pm Post subject: Re: High quality wheel cylinders? |
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crazyvwvanman wrote: |
This photo shows a WRONG position of the adjuster forked end.
The long side of the fork go inside so it can bottom out in the shoe slot.
Mark
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Yeah, well, it's a parts van, so of course it was mounted wrong, they all are _________________ Silicone Steering Boots and 930 Cv boots for sale in the classifieds.
Syncro transmission upgrade parts in the Classifieds.
Subaru EJ22+UN1 5 speed transmission
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416343
Syncro http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4...num+gadget |
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DanHoug Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2016 Posts: 4813 Location: Bemidji, MN
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:34 pm Post subject: Re: High quality wheel cylinders? |
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but why is the adjusting hole so frickin' off center of the star wheel teeth you need to get a tool on??! pushing the tang out of the way is easy, iff'n you need to loosen things up, even if the hole was centered over the teeth. _________________ -dan
60% of what you find on the internet is wrong, including this post.
'87 Westy & '89 Westy both 2.1 4spd
Past projects can be found at--
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2008 Posts: 9961 Location: Orbiting San Diego
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:48 pm Post subject: Re: High quality wheel cylinders? |
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I've been wondering about the practicality of drilling a hole in the face of the drum for access to the adjuster wheel.
Anyone tried it or looked closely at the possibility?
Mark |
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DanHoug Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2016 Posts: 4813 Location: Bemidji, MN
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2024 6:23 pm Post subject: Re: High quality wheel cylinders? |
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crazyvwvanman wrote: |
I've been wondering about the practicality of drilling a hole in the face of the drum for access to the adjuster wheel.
Anyone tried it or looked closely at the possibility?
Mark |
the metal on the face of the drum needs to handle the torsion of vehicle stopping but even tho it is thin, there is a huge surface area to spread the load, just like an automatic transmission flex plate. jeez that'd be nice to adjust things from the front side, on a stool, and no contortions.
so why hasn't a hole been made on the drum face instead of the backing plate? a bit of googling shows that mid-sixties to seventies Chev trucks had access holes in the front of the drum. as did someone's '37 Chev Coupe. a lot of that era replacement drums came with knock out holes the installer had to punch out.
dunno. i would have no issue drilling a hole in the drum face. seems like the backing plate hole is meant for service garages with a lift, not someone DIY'ing it. even then, it is in the wrong location. _________________ -dan
60% of what you find on the internet is wrong, including this post.
'87 Westy & '89 Westy both 2.1 4spd
Past projects can be found at--
www.thefixitworkshop.com |
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2008 Posts: 9961 Location: Orbiting San Diego
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2024 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: High quality wheel cylinders? |
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Previous generations of VWs had holes in drum face for adjusting.
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DanHoug Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2016 Posts: 4813 Location: Bemidji, MN
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2024 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: High quality wheel cylinders? |
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i'll bet they stopped the front hole because it was making people's wheels dirty! _________________ -dan
60% of what you find on the internet is wrong, including this post.
'87 Westy & '89 Westy both 2.1 4spd
Past projects can be found at--
www.thefixitworkshop.com |
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hardway Samba Member
Joined: January 03, 2012 Posts: 420 Location: Fidalgo Island
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2024 7:55 pm Post subject: Re: High quality wheel cylinders? |
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When I got My most recent T3 it had many needs, I could not get the drums off. The drums had a big lip and the shoes would not retract enough. Even with the adjusters backed all the way off. It turned out that the brake cables had been way too tight for a looong time. The parking brake levers were rusted in the on position.
I looked at a hub I had. The original hubs are not symmetrical. There is a single notch in the hub. Hub in hand I was able to determine where I could drill a hole in the drum and not the hub. Through that hole I was able to pry the parking brake levers back. It seems that the engineers were thinking ahead to just the situation I encountered.
I did not think about it then but I do not think it would improve access to the star wheel. I always remove the wheel when accessing the star wheel. The relative positions of the star wheel and the access hole used to bug me. Those days are long gone. With my Toyota brake spoon and experience it is not an issue. This is just one of the many small skills that add up to mastery of the drum brake system.
That bus got ATE cylinders and shoes and Zimmermann drums. It is amazing how the right parts fit and function. It does not seem difficult to get ATE cylinders, IMC has them, RME has them. For a while I couldn't get Zimmermann drums but they are back now. And the ATE cylinders come in a box that says "Classic" on it. |
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2008 Posts: 9961 Location: Orbiting San Diego
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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 6:13 am Post subject: Re: High quality wheel cylinders? |
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Yes, I have done it through the backing plate hole plenty of times in my 35 years of multiple Vanagon ownership but I'm ready for an easier way.
Here is a video of bay window rear drum adjustment, with stock hole in the drum face.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdNBsoWTRvI
Mark
DanHoug wrote: |
..... jeez that'd be nice to adjust things from the front side, on a stool, and no contortions.
so why hasn't a hole been made on the drum face instead of the backing plate? ....... |
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tencentlife Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2006 Posts: 10078 Location: Abiquiu, NM, USA
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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 7:13 am Post subject: Re: High quality wheel cylinders? |
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Done it, here's where it goes, works nicely:
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16895 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:20 am Post subject: Re: High quality wheel cylinders? |
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DanHoug wrote: |
but why is the adjusting hole so frickin' off center of the star wheel teeth you need to get a tool on??! pushing the tang out of the way is easy, iff'n you need to loosen things up, even if the hole was centered over the teeth. |
now you know why I ditched that whole self adjuster abortion and back dated my brakes to the late bay style and have 2 adjusters at the bottom which are easy to get to now _________________
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Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
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Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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