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IowaVW515
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 Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:36 pm Post subject: 412 new fuel pump questions |
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Hi guys just picked up a 74 412, the fuel pump is shot but the seller had a new inline pump that came with the car. So I got the old pump out but it has 3 fuel line ports. So my question is where should I hook up the third line.
Fuel line in. fuel line out to the engine. What about the third? I’ve looked in my repair books but I can find any info.
Thanks guys
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raygreenwood
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| Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 7:55 am Post subject: Re: 412 new fuel pump questions |
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Hi guys just picked up a 74 412, the fuel pump is shot but the seller had a new inline pump that came with the car. So I got the old pump out but it has 3 fuel line ports. So my question is where should I hook up the third line.
Fuel line in. fuel line out to the engine. What about the third? I’ve looked in my repair books but I can find any info.
Thanks guys
Christopher |
So.....are you SURE this is a 1974? The 1974 cars had L-jet injection with a two port pump. Up through August of 1973 they were D-jet and used a three port pump.
So, it sounds like the previous owner handed you an earlier pump from a different injection system.
Yes, it can work. Your fuel tank should have two nipples on it. One is an outlet that feeds the pump and one is an inlet from the fuel pressure regulator return line.
The third port on the D-jet pump should go to a plastic Y fitting (not a tee fitting). So the port marked R on the pump goes to one leg of the Y. The other leg goes to the return port on the fuel tank and the final leg of the Y connects to the fuel tank return port. Ray |
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IowaVW515
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| Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:31 am Post subject: Re: 412 new fuel pump questions |
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Thank you for your reply, I took off the pump myself and it is a 3 port. My title says 1974? So is there a way to hook up this two port pump? Also the new pump has no markings on it to show fuel flow direction or positive or negative connections. It’s got me stumped. Is there a diagram to explain how to convert to a two port? Thanks again.
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raygreenwood
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| Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 9:47 am Post subject: Re: 412 new fuel pump questions |
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Thank you for your reply, I took off the pump myself and it is a 3 port. My title says 1974? So is there a way to hook up this two port pump? Also the new pump has no markings on it to show fuel flow direction or positive or negative connections. It’s got me stumped. Is there a diagram to explain how to convert to a two port? Thanks again.
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So you saying that the car came with the three port pump and it was already installed?
Ok, if the three port pump was already installed then it should already have a Y or T fitting.
All you have to do to use a two port pump is get rid of the Y or T fitting. The left hand nipple on the fuel tank is the rturn line so the hose coming from your fuel pressure regulator goes straight to that left hand fuel tank nipple.
The right hand nipple is the fuel pump supply. So the right hand nipple goes to the fuel filter. Fuel filter goes to teh fuel pump inlet and the fuel pump outlet goes to the right hand steel line coming out of the body tunnel.
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IowaVW515
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| Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:16 pm Post subject: Re: 412 new fuel pump questions |
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| Got it. Thank you Ray! Next question does it matter what terminal I hook up the hot wire too? The pump I got has no markings on it for hot or ground or flow direction. |
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raygreenwood
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| Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:23 pm Post subject: Re: 412 new fuel pump questions |
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| Got it. Thank you Ray! Next question does it matter what terminal I hook up the hot wire too? The pump I got has no markings on it for hot or ground or flow direction. |
Typically it does matter. Most that I know of will rotate backwards when hooked up backwards. But testing it should not hurt it.
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ubercrap
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| Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: 412 new fuel pump questions |
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| IowaVW515 wrote: |
Hi guys just picked up a 74 412, the fuel pump is shot but the seller had a new inline pump that came with the car. So I got the old pump out but it has 3 fuel line ports. So my question is where should I hook up the third line.
Fuel line in. fuel line out to the engine. What about the third? I’ve looked in my repair books but I can find any info.
Thanks guys
Christopher |
So.....are you SURE this is a 1974? The 1974 cars had L-jet injection with a two port pump. Up through August of 1973 they were D-jet and used a three port pump.
So, it sounds like the previous owner handed you an earlier pump from a different injection system.
Yes, it can work. Your fuel tank should have two nipples on it. One is an outlet that feeds the pump and one is an inlet from the fuel pressure regulator return line.
The third port on the D-jet pump should go to a plastic Y fitting (not a tee fitting). So the port marked R on the pump goes to one leg of the Y. The other leg goes to the return port on the fuel tank and the final leg of the Y connects to the fuel tank return port. Ray |
Don't forget the '74 2dr./coupes stayed 1.7L D-Jet, wagons/4dr. got 1.8 L-Jet.
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raygreenwood
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| Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2024 7:54 am Post subject: Re: 412 new fuel pump questions |
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| IowaVW515 wrote: |
Hi guys just picked up a 74 412, the fuel pump is shot but the seller had a new inline pump that came with the car. So I got the old pump out but it has 3 fuel line ports. So my question is where should I hook up the third line.
Fuel line in. fuel line out to the engine. What about the third? I’ve looked in my repair books but I can find any info.
Thanks guys
Christopher |
So.....are you SURE this is a 1974? The 1974 cars had L-jet injection with a two port pump. Up through August of 1973 they were D-jet and used a three port pump.
So, it sounds like the previous owner handed you an earlier pump from a different injection system.
Yes, it can work. Your fuel tank should have two nipples on it. One is an outlet that feeds the pump and one is an inlet from the fuel pressure regulator return line.
The third port on the D-jet pump should go to a plastic Y fitting (not a tee fitting). So the port marked R on the pump goes to one leg of the Y. The other leg goes to the return port on the fuel tank and the final leg of the Y connects to the fuel tank return port. Ray |
Don't forget the '74 2dr./coupes stayed 1.7L D-Jet, wagons/4dr. got 1.8 L-Jet. |
Thats a very giod point! And even though they were rare here...he might have one!
So...Iowavw515....is your car a two door coupe with a manual transmission? ....or a four door or wagon with automatic?
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Lars S
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2024 7:05 am Post subject: Re: 412 new fuel pump questions |
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Don't forget the '74 2dr./coupes stayed 1.7L D-Jet, wagons/4dr. got 1.8 L-Jet. |
Didnt know about that...
In europe the 1.7 was totally dropped after 73 (model year) and all 74s had 1.8 with twin carbs and 85hp.
Same for the 914 1.7 which went to 1.8 and carbs in 74 (but the 2.0 remained with D-jet).
You learn every day!
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wagen19
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| Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 9:30 am Post subject: Re: 412 new fuel pump questions |
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Don't forget the '74 2dr./coupes stayed 1.7L D-Jet, wagons/4dr. got 1.8 L-Jet. |
Didnt know about that...
In europe the 1.7 was totally dropped after 73 (model year) and all 74s had 1.8 with twin carbs and 85hp.
Same for the 914 1.7 which went to 1.8 and carbs in 74 (but the 2.0 remained with D-jet).
You learn every day!
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Small addition: Europe 1974, at least for germany, there was also the "AT" engine, 1,8 L, dual carb, 75 hp for NORMAL fuel. |
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Lars S
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| Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 9:48 am Post subject: Re: 412 new fuel pump questions |
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Small addition: Europe 1974, at least for germany, there was also the "AT" engine, 1,8 L, dual carb, 75 hp for NORMAL fuel. |
Very true!
And even more, for Germany a carbed version was available all the time (69-74)?
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ubercrap
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| Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: 412 new fuel pump questions |
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In the USA wasn't there a special lower compression 1.7L for California in '73 or something like that? Then in '74 no 2dr. coupe/sedan in California, only the 4 door sedan/wagon 1.8?
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wonkipop
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| Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 3:26 pm Post subject: Re: 412 new fuel pump questions |
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| In the USA wasn't there a special lower compression 1.7L for California in '73 or something like that? Then in '74 no 2dr. coupe/sedan in California, only the 4 door sedan/wagon 1.8? |
that is correct.
i don't own a 412 but i own a 914 1.8 L jet.
over the last 3-4 years a couple of us 914 L jet owners have fully researched the history behind the introduction of the L jet system.
contrary to some views that the 412 2 door coupe was not sold in the USA that is not so. it was.
but earlier to that a 411 2 door was not sold in the USA. the 411 was only sold there as a 4 door and a variant.
the 2 door 412 was sold USA wide (including california) in 73.
the californian 1.7 as per the 914 1.7 had the low compression unleaded gas engine. in the 914 case an eye watering 73 hp unit. i assume exactly the same out put in the 412. the USA 49 states 1.7 had 80 hp and ran on higher octane leaded. same engine in 914 as in 412. or essentially the same.
differences in tin etc and so forth. but by and large identical.
in 74 the 2 door 412 sold only in the 49 states and was the 80 hp leaded engine.
the 4 door and variant received the 1.8 L jet engine with 76 hp that was lower compression and ran on unleaded. just like the 914 there were two versions of the L jet with very subtle differences in order to conform with emissions standards. californian 412s had the EC-D engine. 49 states had the EC-C engine. i dp not know precisely what the difference was but i do know for the 914s. 49 states had the EC-B which had ignition vac advance hooked up and the EC-A california had the ignition vac advance disconnected.
there is one further interesting detail in relation to the 74 412 2 door.
the way emissions standards worked back then was via a staged introduction.
california went 12 months in front of the USA in terms of the increasing emissions standards. to put it simply a 74 USA = a 73 California.
BUT - this is not the case with the 74 2 door 412. it remained as per the 73 2 door with its 1.7 high compression engine.
how was this so? you might ask?
there was a slip clause or a trick in the emissions laws.
technically emissions laws applied per calendar years not model years.
but model years became calendar years if they were produced after jan 1 of the calendar year the model year was named as.
however if a model year ceased production before jan 1 of the calendar year that for the purposes of federal law the vehicle standards of the calendar year before applied.
put simply if you made all your 74 model year cars between Aug/Sept of 1973 and ceased production before Jan 01 1974 you could sell them as 74 MY cars but comply with the previous model year emissions laws etc.
that is exactly what VW did with the USA 2 door 412. it made them all before the christmas /new year break of 1973/74. built up the stocks and sold them until they were all sold out.
VW also repeated exactly the same thing with the 1976 porsche 914.
it was only made for the second half of calendar year 1975.
production ceased at christmas 1975. nothing built after jan 01 1976.
the emissions standards of the 1975 cars was applied to the cars.
they were marketed and sold and titled as 1976 MY cars.
VW were not the only ones to do it.
the 1970 and 1/2 ford falcon is exactly the same.
ford ceased to make it after end of 1969 so it did not have to comply with USEAP standards which were introduced in MY 1970.
there were other cars like this by US domestic manufacturers.
that is the story of the type 4 2 door coupe in the USA market.
it is not exactly a grey market car.
the 411 two door never sold officially in the USA.
the 412 was sold officially but it sold in very small numbers.
in 73 was sold USA wide inclusive of california.
in 74 sold only in 49 states and was a run out car while stocks lasted. |
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Yes, sounds like what I've heard before, but I guess I thought that the 411 2dr. coupe/sedan was sold in the USA for at least one year since there some here, not many, but some. Given the amount of Type 34 Ghias that seem to be here, while never being officially sold by VW, I could buy all those 411s were privately imported. I've never owned one so haven't been able to see if there were any signs of some sort it was originally for a non-USA market still present. I know where one is sitting I might be able to get, but I don't have the space for it.
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raygreenwood
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| Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2024 9:29 am Post subject: Re: 412 new fuel pump questions |
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| Yes, sounds like what I've heard before, but I guess I thought that the 411 2dr. coupe/sedan was sold in the USA for at least one year since there some here, not many, but some. Given the amount of Type 34 Ghias that seem to be here, while never being officially sold by VW, I could buy all those 411s were privately imported. I've never owned one so haven't been able to see if there were any signs of some sort it was originally for a non-USA market still present. I know where one is sitting I might be able to get, but I don't have the space for it. |
I have heard it both ways. Wonkipop states that for 1973 the two door coupe was sold in all 50 states. I have heard that...some....but more often I have heard from former dealer reps and mechanics over the decades....that yes...its true....but not really.
Let me explain that.
I am not saying that wonkipop is incorrect but I think there is more to it than meets the eye.
I have been told over the decades by former dealer people that the two-door coupe was NOT available as a STANDARD option in the USA. They were not available for you to walk into a dealer and ask for a two-door coupe instead of a two door wagon/variant or four door saloon.
However, after more than a few started appearing as gray market cars either through Canada but more often picked up in Germany and shipped to the US under one or more tourist programs....the dealers may have started allowing you to come into the dealer, state what you wanted to order and allow you to pick up your car in Germany.
I was also told by one former dealer rep many years ago...I don't know how true it is but it makes sense...it was his "opinion" that this method had to be implemented because once emissions got into full swing, those gray market cars whch probably do not meet US emissions could become a problem once they arrived.
It became easier to allow someone who wanted a "European" version/model....to order it and go pick it up (gray market)...but it will have been custom manufactured for operation in the target delivery market.
My 1973 412 two-door coupe is an example of this...I think. It was bought by a Canadian air force officer stationed in Frankfurt. It was picked up and driven for a year or so, then sold to a US citizen school teacher, sold to a US military person, driven in France for a while, and then finally shipped out of Oslo Norway into the Carolinas.
It was equipped for US emissions and had the bumper strengthening tube in the front with US spec lights.
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Lars S
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I dont know about the two door 411 being sold or not in the US but there was a leaflet in 1972 for it (printed in USA).
Now that does not proof it really being sold, many leaflets have been printed for cars that never were sold...
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raygreenwood
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| Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2024 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: 412 new fuel pump questions |
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I dont know about the two door 411 being sold or not in the US but there was a leaflet in 1972 for it (printed in USA).
Now that does not proof it really being sold, many leaflets have been printed for cars that never were sold...
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Man...I have no real idea...athough that leaflet is cool! I also know that the total numbers from what I could find out about a decade ago of 2-door sedans legally imported into the US (I have no idea if this is accurate)...was said to be somewhere between 4000 to 4500. Not many either way. Ray |
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wonkipop
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| Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2024 2:45 pm Post subject: Re: 412 new fuel pump questions |
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| Yes, sounds like what I've heard before, but I guess I thought that the 411 2dr. coupe/sedan was sold in the USA for at least one year since there some here, not many, but some. Given the amount of Type 34 Ghias that seem to be here, while never being officially sold by VW, I could buy all those 411s were privately imported. I've never owned one so haven't been able to see if there were any signs of some sort it was originally for a non-USA market still present. I know where one is sitting I might be able to get, but I don't have the space for it. |
I have heard it both ways. Wonkipop states that for 1973 the two door coupe was sold in all 50 states. I have heard that...some....but more often I have heard from former dealer reps and mechanics over the decades....that yes...its true....but not really.
Let me explain that.
I am not saying that wonkipop is incorrect but I think there is more to it than meets the eye.
I have been told over the decades by former dealer people that the two-door coupe was NOT available as a STANDARD option in the USA. They were not available for you to walk into a dealer and ask for a two-door coupe instead of a two door wagon/variant or four door saloon.
However, after more than a few started appearing as gray market cars either through Canada but more often picked up in Germany and shipped to the US under one or more tourist programs....the dealers may have started allowing you to come into the dealer, state what you wanted to order and allow you to pick up your car in Germany.
I was also told by one former dealer rep many years ago...I don't know how true it is but it makes sense...it was his "opinion" that this method had to be implemented because once emissions got into full swing, those gray market cars whch probably do not meet US emissions could become a problem once they arrived.
It became easier to allow someone who wanted a "European" version/model....to order it and go pick it up (gray market)...but it will have been custom manufactured for operation in the target delivery market.
My 1973 412 two-door coupe is an example of this...I think. It was bought by a Canadian air force officer stationed in Frankfurt. It was picked up and driven for a year or so, then sold to a US citizen school teacher, sold to a US military person, driven in France for a while, and then finally shipped out of Oslo Norway into the Carolinas.
It was equipped for US emissions and had the bumper strengthening tube in the front with US spec lights.
Ray |
you could well be right re the 411 2 door being a special order car in the USA pre the introduction of the 412. essentially nothing would have prevented VW building one to meet emissions standards in the USA. the 1.7 80 HP engine wouid have been possible hooked up to the manual gearbox. the throttle body etc would have been identical to the 914 engine. (the set up on the 1.7 in the wagons and 4 doors was a little different for the auto box cars and all variants/4 doors in USA were auto box cars i believe).
as to tourist deliveries. some 412 2 doors would have come in that way.
but it does not mean they all did. as per 914s. 914s were coming in tourist delivery. if they did they had to be USEPA -CARB / DOT standard cars built for USA to be registered for the first time int in the USA. after 1970.
and as to canada cars. they were not really grey market as after 1970 canada adopted USEPA emissions standards and other DOT standards that applied in the USA. they did not adopt CARB california emissions standards but they all conformed to USEPA. even intrusion bars in doors when that came in i think iin 1973 or 72. you could bring a canadian spec car into the 49 states USA and register it with no real fuss. not so a european spec car after 1970.
i suspect the real reason VW did not sell so many 2 door 412s or bother with the 411 2 door officially was the 914. they had their VW sports car. and a marketing strategy for it. despite being called a porsche all marketing for all porsches in north america was controlled and done by VW of North America.
the two door 411/412 was marketed in europe as the sporty type 4. sort of sporty. and the upper spec versions were. but it would have been too slow to be regarded as that in the USA. broadly speaking. 4 speed box - heavier car than 914. and the 914 in 4 cylinder form had enough trouble being taken seriousy by the broader market and even porschohiles. although it was relatively speaking a sales success in the USA. not so elsewhere in the world as we know.
as a curiosity bit of info. japan spec 914s and 411/412 also had basically north american emissions standards engines fitted too. complete with vapor emissions systems. the standards japan applied were a one year lag behind USEPA. however japan did not go to unleaded fuel at that time it was a little later. so in 1974 in japan the line up was basically using a 1973 USEPA standard engine. 1.7 D jet. the japanese distributor of 914s dropped the smaller engined car from the line up in 1974 and only sold the 2.0L for 74 and 75. reason the 1.8 twin carb euro 914/412 engine would not pass emissions and there was no high compression leaded fuel L jet engine developed to fit to the cars. so end of the line for the small engined 914 in japan. |
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wonkipop
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| Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2024 3:20 pm Post subject: Re: 412 new fuel pump questions |
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| raygreenwood wrote: |
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| Yes, sounds like what I've heard before, but I guess I thought that the 411 2dr. coupe/sedan was sold in the USA for at least one year since there some here, not many, but some. Given the amount of Type 34 Ghias that seem to be here, while never being officially sold by VW, I could buy all those 411s were privately imported. I've never owned one so haven't been able to see if there were any signs of some sort it was originally for a non-USA market still present. I know where one is sitting I might be able to get, but I don't have the space for it. |
I have heard it both ways. Wonkipop states that for 1973 the two door coupe was sold in all 50 states. I have heard that...some....but more often I have heard from former dealer reps and mechanics over the decades....that yes...its true....but not really.
Let me explain that.
I am not saying that wonkipop is incorrect but I think there is more to it than meets the eye.
I have been told over the decades by former dealer people that the two-door coupe was NOT available as a STANDARD option in the USA. They were not available for you to walk into a dealer and ask for a two-door coupe instead of a two door wagon/variant or four door saloon.
However, after more than a few started appearing as gray market cars either through Canada but more often picked up in Germany and shipped to the US under one or more tourist programs....the dealers may have started allowing you to come into the dealer, state what you wanted to order and allow you to pick up your car in Germany.
I was also told by one former dealer rep many years ago...I don't know how true it is but it makes sense...it was his "opinion" that this method had to be implemented because once emissions got into full swing, those gray market cars whch probably do not meet US emissions could become a problem once they arrived.
It became easier to allow someone who wanted a "European" version/model....to order it and go pick it up (gray market)...but it will have been custom manufactured for operation in the target delivery market.
My 1973 412 two-door coupe is an example of this...I think. It was bought by a Canadian air force officer stationed in Frankfurt. It was picked up and driven for a year or so, then sold to a US citizen school teacher, sold to a US military person, driven in France for a while, and then finally shipped out of Oslo Norway into the Carolinas.
It was equipped for US emissions and had the bumper strengthening tube in the front with US spec lights.
Ray |
don't forget that in north america there was always a distinction between california conforming (CARB - californian air resources board) and USEPA.
in any one model year a CARB car was subject to the more severe emissions standards that would apply to the USEPA cars the next year in the states outside of california - ie rest of USA).
this became particularly severe in difference in 1973.
and the 1.7 D jet engine really suffered.
everyone likes to joke about the 1.8 L jet engine being the weakest.
its not. the california 1.7 low compression unleaded fuel D jet engine was the pathetic one. using the more generous rating figure it was 72 or 73 horsepower depending on the literature. or 69 using the other standard that was being applied at that time.
your proposition regarding "european delivery" for a USA bound car is not quite as you imagine it. nor the dealers descriptions. the car had to be built USA market and go to a USA citizen. i have documentation on several 914s delivered this way. i believe the european delivery system allowed owners to bring their cars in and avoided several sales or import duty imposts as the cars were not "new" but already "old". you could do this if you were the first owner.
but -----the car still had to conform to USEPA and DOT standards.
and as to US servicemen bringing cars back to the USA with them after time in europe that is certainly very true. this was allowed quite liberally during the 1960s. thats how all type 34 karmann ghias came to the USA. however it got a little different after 1970 - more difficult if not impossible. but it could be done.
but generally if a US service man ordered a car in europe new it had to be a USA spec car in order to bring it back. after 1970 more often than not USA service men sold their cars before returning if they did not have a USA spec car.
as an interesting aside this also worked the other way around. i believe that the US military would ship your car out to a country you were posted to. and also ship it back. this occurred in australia for instance. there was a lot of yank tanks in western australia that came in this way. since you were allowed to drive a left hand drive car in western australia it was no hassle for US military to do this. there was and still is a huge USA military communications base on the west coast of australia. its used for the US nuclear submarine fleet in the indian ocean. a legacy of the cold war. its still there. a lot of american military personal simply sold their cars at the end of their posting in western australia to australians. there was a relatively large cache of US vehicles from the 1960s and early to mid 70s as a result of that. no 411s or 914s though. 
from your despription ray it sounds like the 2 door you have was built as the standard tourist delivery to a US citizen. ie it was USA conforming from the get go. it just happened to be a tourist delivery. in that sense it absolutely conforms to the manner in which 914s were all brought in to as tourist delivery. tourist delivery was not grey market.
grey market was bringing in a european spec car. without emissions.'
several people famously tried to do that with the porsche 959 in the late 1980s/1990s.
i believe bill gates attempted that. sort of succeeded but did not really.
also i believe nothing stopped you bringing in a 1970 or earlier second hand european car into the USA after 1970. you could still do that. the way it worked was the car had to conform with the model year EPA and DOT laws for the year it was manufactured.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2024 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: 412 new fuel pump questions |
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| Lars S wrote: |
I dont know about the two door 411 being sold or not in the US but there was a leaflet in 1972 for it (printed in USA).
Now that does not proof it really being sold, many leaflets have been printed for cars that never were sold...
/Lars S
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that may well be right.
possibly for last year of the 411? dipped a toe in the water"
that brochure is the first evidence i have seen of it.
but i don't have any research material on the 1972 411 in the USA.
initially when introduced into the USA it was just sold as the wagon and 4 door and that happens 2-3 years after it is introduced in europe.
i have all the literature on the 73 and 74 412.
and its unambiguous you could get the 2 door.
USA wide in 1973 and only fitted with a 4 speed manual gearbox.
no auto option or variety with the 2 door, only stick shift.
i think the idea was its "sporty".
74 info is also clear. no 2 door in california.
only autobox 1.8 Ljet and only wagon and 4 door.
1.7 is available in rest of USA.
our research focussed on the L jets and introduction so we didn't go too far back in time delving into D jets.
what we did establish is the chronology for L jet.
the USA 412 is the first car. by three months. August 1973.
the USA 1.8 914 is the second car. November 1973.
and the USA bus with i believe the 1.8 is the third. January 1974.
its a staggered introduction.
europe gets L jet with the sporty german built opel in march of 1974.
its often falsely credited with being the first L jet but its not.
its the 412.
actually a significant car.
anyone with an original 1.8 L jet 412 in survivor condition should put it away in cotton wool so to speak.
the lower the VIN the better.
sooner or later VW is going to wake up the significance if they have not already.
and i know there is not one in their museum.
quite an omission.
given that L jet really is the basis of all modern fuel injection systems.
just check out the AFM meter on any 412 or 914 Ljet.
the last three numbers of the bosch part number are 001.
ie numbero uno. its not often you see a part number that is right where it starts.
if bosch have a museum i would think that AFM unit is in a glass display box. |
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