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txoval Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 3745 Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 6:55 am Post subject: Re: CNC Billet Steel Cam - Jurgen Nowak |
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78.8mm Scat 4340 crank
92mm Super Squish pistons (if doing over would just go with flat tops)
2095cc
Tims Stage 2 heads, 45mm Dells, 9.8CR…should have gone higher, but went conservative due to clearances with domed pistons.
Scat Forged 1.25 ratio rockers…ended up with .515” valve lift
1-5/8 A-1 merged header/race muffler.
Pulls hard from 2500-7000…Jurgen will insist on using Thorsten Pieper lifters |
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cmaxcliff Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2009 Posts: 176 Location: S.E. PA
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Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 7:02 am Post subject: Re: CNC Billet Steel Cam - Jurgen Nowak |
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Do VW engines have a tendency to break cast camshafts? Porsches do sometimes and the racers have many theories as to why. The solution was to have steel cams made but the first attempt failed because the lobes wore because the wrong steel was used. That steel required that it be surfaced hardened after grinding but that wasn't done. Tool steel was the solution because the surface is still hard after grinding. It is also a good idea to DLC the lifters to avoid wear.
The 356 uses Type 1 straight cut gears and I have used a few different types. In 14 years I have had 2 cast cams break and both times were with the gear pictured. Further comparison against 2 other types shows that this gear weighs twice as much as the others. I haven't checked the balance but I wouldn't be surprised if it is out of balance.
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Olli from NJ Samba Member
Joined: May 10, 2007 Posts: 346 Location: Milton,DE
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Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 7:23 am Post subject: Re: CNC Billet Steel Cam - Jurgen Nowak |
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txoval,
Thank you. I have a nice new set of Thorsten Pieper lifters just waiting to go into an engine.
I sent Jurgen an e-mail this morning asking if he would send me some cam specs. on the JN15,JN5 and the JN6.
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58 Plastic Tub Samba Member
Joined: September 03, 2007 Posts: 447 Location: Nowhere, USA
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Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 10:04 am Post subject: Re: CNC Billet Steel Cam - Jurgen Nowak |
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txoval wrote: |
78.8mm Scat 4340 crank
92mm Super Squish pistons (if doing over would just go with flat tops)
2095cc
Tims Stage 2 heads, 45mm Dells, 9.8CR…should have gone higher, but went conservative due to clearances with domed pistons.
Scat Forged 1.25 ratio rockers…ended up with .515” valve lift
1-5/8 A-1 merged header/race muffler.
Pulls hard from 2500-7000…Jurgen will insist on using Thorsten Pieper lifters |
Impressive. That's why I'm looking at both the JN5 and JN6. _________________ Stan Galat
"A single point in isolation is a reference point. Two points is a line. Three points is a trend. Trends don't lie." |
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txoval Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 3745 Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 6:25 am Post subject: Re: CNC Billet Steel Cam - Jurgen Nowak |
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JN6
Total Duration: 306
LSA: 108
Lift at cam: .417
Duration at .050: 288
Lift with 1.1:1: .459
Lift with 1.3:1: .543
If you want more strip than street...go with the JN4
He has some split duration race cams as well |
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cmaxcliff Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2009 Posts: 176 Location: S.E. PA
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 6:41 am Post subject: Re: CNC Billet Steel Cam - Jurgen Nowak |
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Do VW cast cams have any tendency to break in extreme use?
Is that why some people use steel cams or is there a different reason? |
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txoval Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 3745 Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 7:23 am Post subject: Re: CNC Billet Steel Cam - Jurgen Nowak |
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I have never heard of them breaking or having a tendency. |
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Alstrup Samba Member
Joined: July 12, 2007 Posts: 7586 Location: Videbaek Denmark
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 8:50 am Post subject: Re: CNC Billet Steel Cam - Jurgen Nowak |
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txoval wrote: |
JN6
Total Duration: 306
LSA: 108
Lift at cam: .417
Duration at .050mm: 288
Lift with 1.1:1: .459
Lift with 1.3:1: .543
If you want more strip than street...go with the JN4
He has some split duration race cams as well |
_________________ https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=435993 |
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58 Plastic Tub Samba Member
Joined: September 03, 2007 Posts: 447 Location: Nowhere, USA
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 10:26 am Post subject: Re: CNC Billet Steel Cam - Jurgen Nowak |
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txoval wrote: |
JN6
Total Duration: 306
LSA: 108
Lift at cam: .417
Duration at .050: 288
Lift with 1.1:1: .459
Lift with 1.3:1: .543
If you want more strip than street...go with the JN4
He has some split duration race cams as well |
Not to be argumentative, but according to the chart at https://frisiersalon-nowak.de/produkte/nockenwellen/typ1, the lift on the JN6 at .51mm is 288 deg. .51mm is .020". It can't be 288 deg at both .020" and .050".
The JN5 measures 296 deg at .51mm and 258 deg at 1.27 mm (.050") according to the chart you posted.
I would assume that the JN6 has quite a bit less duration at 050" (1.27 mm). _________________ Stan Galat
"A single point in isolation is a reference point. Two points is a line. Three points is a trend. Trends don't lie." |
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txoval Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 3745 Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 10:36 am Post subject: Re: CNC Billet Steel Cam - Jurgen Nowak |
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I looked at the wrong column on the spreadsheet
261 at .050
288 at .020
237 at .100
136 at .300 |
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txoval Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 3745 Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 10:38 am Post subject: Re: CNC Billet Steel Cam - Jurgen Nowak |
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JN5
312 total
296 at .020
258 at .050
226 at .100
120 at .300 |
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58 Plastic Tub Samba Member
Joined: September 03, 2007 Posts: 447 Location: Nowhere, USA
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 10:51 am Post subject: Re: CNC Billet Steel Cam - Jurgen Nowak |
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Thanks.
Looks like the JN6 has faster ramps, but they still look a bit slower (45 deg difference between advertised and .050" duration) than the cams everybody likes (86b, etc.). An 86b has 38 deg difference between advertised and .050" duration, it's 54 deg on the JN5. Deviations like that always make me perk up -- they're curious to me.
... but I know just enough to be dangerous. I'm interested in some real-world feedback, and you gave us some on the JN5. _________________ Stan Galat
"A single point in isolation is a reference point. Two points is a line. Three points is a trend. Trends don't lie." |
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Alstrup Samba Member
Joined: July 12, 2007 Posts: 7586 Location: Videbaek Denmark
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 11:46 am Post subject: Re: CNC Billet Steel Cam - Jurgen Nowak |
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58 Plastic Tub wrote: |
Thanks.
Looks like the JN6 has faster ramps, but they still look a bit slower (45 deg difference between advertised and .050" duration) than the cams everybody likes (86b, etc.). An 86b has 38 deg difference between advertised and .050" duration, it's 54 deg on the JN5. Deviations like that always make me perk up -- they're curious to me.
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One of the reasons why Nowak cams need less spring pressure. _________________ https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=435993 |
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Olli from NJ Samba Member
Joined: May 10, 2007 Posts: 346 Location: Milton,DE
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 11:57 am Post subject: Re: CNC Billet Steel Cam - Jurgen Nowak |
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I sent Nowak an e-mail yesterday asking for cam specs. No response yet.
Alstrup, any more information that you can share about the Nowak cams.
I am right now planning a 2332 (street engine for a Thing) looking for strong mid-range and hard pull to 6K ish. 44 Webers, 42X37 smallish port heads from PDP. 9.2-9.5:1 Looking at Engle K8, FK44, Web 86B, 533,
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cmaxcliff Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: CNC Billet Steel Cam - Jurgen Nowak |
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I really didn't have the full picture about cams until I took a selection of over 10 street and race cams to be checked by a Cam Doctor. The peak acceleration variation is between cams is eye opening and the high numbers may make power but they wear out or break parts. |
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txoval Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 3745 Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 12:42 pm Post subject: Re: CNC Billet Steel Cam - Jurgen Nowak |
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His cams are precise…no variation between lobes and numbers match as advertised.
Per his sheet, the JN5 and JN6 can be used with single HD springs. Oteva or just the outer VW650 spring |
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Wreck Samba Member
Joined: July 19, 2014 Posts: 1262 Location: Brisbane
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: CNC Billet Steel Cam - Jurgen Nowak |
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I'm running a JN4 about 274degree@ 0.050" ,0.550" lift with 1.3 rockers . pulls hard to my limiter at 7200 . single beehives 48mm valve .
I second that they are very accurate . Jurgen will also customise cams to what you want .
So far about 9000km daily driving , using TP lifters that have seen 2 other cams and have about 50000km on them . |
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58 Plastic Tub Samba Member
Joined: September 03, 2007 Posts: 447 Location: Nowhere, USA
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Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:41 am Post subject: Re: CNC Billet Steel Cam - Jurgen Nowak |
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Thanks for the testimonials. I very much like the idea of a tool steel cam/lifter combo, as I've had 3 cams go flat or pit on me now.
It's mostly the profiles that give me a bit of pause. I know they're accurate, and I know why they have such gentle ramps... but I also know that more aggressive ramps make power earlier. I drive the car, but not like a daily driver. I want stuff to last, but I've never had more than 20,000 miles on any T1 before I tore it down and tried something else. My car is not an airplane, so I'd rather err on the side of power now, than the Gene Berg/Bob Hoover "it'll never last 100,000 miles if you don't run an easy cam with 7:1 compression".
There's a sweet-spot between having a time-bomb in the back end and having something lazy. Maybe (for sure?) I'm getting old, but while these cams really intrigue me, I kinda' wish he had something closer to a more conventional profile. _________________ Stan Galat
"A single point in isolation is a reference point. Two points is a line. Three points is a trend. Trends don't lie." |
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H2OSB Samba Member
Joined: April 14, 2013 Posts: 1454 Location: Modesto, CA
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Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2024 6:02 am Post subject: Re: CNC Billet Steel Cam - Jurgen Nowak |
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Alstrup wrote: |
58 Plastic Tub wrote: |
Thanks.
Looks like the JN6 has faster ramps, but they still look a bit slower (45 deg difference between advertised and .050" duration) than the cams everybody likes (86b, etc.). An 86b has 38 deg difference between advertised and .050" duration, it's 54 deg on the JN5. Deviations like that always make me perk up -- they're curious to me.
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One of the reasons why Nowak cams need less spring pressure. |
Would this be a good place for the Real Beehives from Dan Ruddick?
H2OSB _________________ (o\_i_/o) I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants. |
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txoval Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 3745 Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2024 8:24 am Post subject: Re: CNC Billet Steel Cam - Jurgen Nowak |
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He has at least two "all out performance cams"
Want me to email you the spreadsheet? The JN4 that Wreck posted seems to fit your description as well
58 Plastic Tub wrote: |
Thanks for the testimonials. I very much like the idea of a tool steel cam/lifter combo, as I've had 3 cams go flat or pit on me now.
It's mostly the profiles that give me a bit of pause. I know they're accurate, and I know why they have such gentle ramps... but I also know that more aggressive ramps make power earlier. I drive the car, but not like a daily driver. I want stuff to last, but I've never had more than 20,000 miles on any T1 before I tore it down and tried something else. My car is not an airplane, so I'd rather err on the side of power now, than the Gene Berg/Bob Hoover "it'll never last 100,000 miles if you don't run an easy cam with 7:1 compression".
There's a sweet-spot between having a time-bomb in the back end and having something lazy. Maybe (for sure?) I'm getting old, but while these cams really intrigue me, I kinda' wish he had something closer to a more conventional profile. |
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