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Lee Ivatt
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 Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:10 pm Post subject: 49 |
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no it is a standard and the colour is L51 bordeaux red. i have the certificates from vw also to back this up.
i guess this is a rare colour for a standard? |
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Hebster52
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I'd say keep it!
I started my Hebster project back in -96. Still not finished. During that time I have restored one house, sold it, built an other new house, become a father etc. which is the reason for taking so long. Now when the kid is 5 my time have started to give more time to other stuff too.
Store it and keep it. You will find time sooner than you think and standard splits don't grow on trees you know!! 
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Brezelwerks
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:49 am Post subject: Re: 49 |
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| Lee Ivatt wrote: |
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| Sell it. If it's upsetting you that much...............even after you finish it, the memory of this time will stay with the car. It can become like the boat owner's curse................." The best day of your life is the day you buy it, and the day you get sell of it." I've had two Porsches that I sold the week the restoration was finished, because I was so "done" with them. |
yeh id say that was true, with most of the cars ive done, but not because im sick of them, just because i made them soooo clean and put sooo much in that i was scared to even reverse them out of the gararge.
but the 49 is different, i havnt finnished it. i wouldnt say im sick of the car, ok all projects go through that low point where you cant even bare to look at the car. but i havnt even got there with this one.
i never bought it to make a profit, its impossible to with what i started with.
id post some pics but cant seem to? can i email them to someone?
when i look at how far i have come its stupid because it basically needs a coat of paint and then everything bolting back on to it and its "done".
remember my dilema is not because i dont want the car, its down my family commitments. running a business is hard, especially when you have to chase cheques after materials have been bought. i came a cropper last month because of this and only just scraped through, (i had to send some heavies round to collect my cheque!) if im honest the money i spent on the car i should have used a capital, but i didnt, and now i NEED that extra money, as im chasing bigger jobs, so the risks increase. i need to be able to support my family, and at this moment i cant jepodise that because of a lump of 'rare' metal.
money is rare these days. just alone food shopping in this country has gone up around 20% ive noticed in the last three months. and im paying £1.11 per litre for fuel in my truck!
im 24, running a business, a house and now a family.
i think about storing it up somewhere but whats the point in that, id much rather know someone was giving it the attention it deserves? |
Speaking from past similar experiences from others including myself, in reality the first moment you considered selling the process has already started, its now just a matter of exactly when, and coming to terms with it. A key part of you is no longer completely committed to the car nomatter how much you love the car, so the separation process has started. Next you have acknowledged other key priorities that truly come first at this point, having chosen a new focus that needs your complete commitment for it to succeed (which takes several years to do), and your family is depending on your responsible investments moving forward, you've got alot riding on your decision here.
So you don't really need further input other than to perhaps temporarily assist with the grieving process. Letting go is never easy, but it doesn't mean you are out of the hobby for good, its just a matter of timing. At the age 24 you have your whole life ahead of you, and you should already be proud at your age to even have owned a split, mine didn't come until 33, and that came well after I wanted one. But I realized early on around your age that I needed to establish myself financially first, so that I could acquire and invest in the cars I wanted without issue or struggle.
There is all kinds of feedback here, but its biased based on what someone else would do whom aren't walking in your shoes, so advice is most often emotionally driven rather than logic and wisdom taking everything into consideration here. Given the economic challenges ahead selling the car will help pad your business and family needs should you need it, and nothing will strain a marriage like an unrestored car (a $ asset) sitting under wraps for perhaps years. Examine your own personality too, if you keep it and tuck it away, will you be able to resist not working on it, or looking for parts, trolling the web, etc? If your business alone requires 100% of you time you can't afford to be whittling away with the time you have.
Keep the faith though, once you are focused on the business, you will have the mental focus on what will be needed along the way to get ahead one way or the other, and during a challenging period ahead the less distractions the better. You will have plenty of time to acquire a split in the near future, perhaps even before 30 if you are able to remain focused on your primary responsibilities.
Best wishes with the decision.
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rarefinds
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:16 am Post subject: Re: 49 |
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| Brezelwerks wrote: |
| Lee Ivatt wrote: |
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| Sell it. If it's upsetting you that much...............even after you finish it, the memory of this time will stay with the car. It can become like the boat owner's curse................." The best day of your life is the day you buy it, and the day you get sell of it." I've had two Porsches that I sold the week the restoration was finished, because I was so "done" with them. |
yeh id say that was true, with most of the cars ive done, but not because im sick of them, just because i made them soooo clean and put sooo much in that i was scared to even reverse them out of the gararge.
but the 49 is different, i havnt finnished it. i wouldnt say im sick of the car, ok all projects go through that low point where you cant even bare to look at the car. but i havnt even got there with this one.
i never bought it to make a profit, its impossible to with what i started with.
id post some pics but cant seem to? can i email them to someone?
when i look at how far i have come its stupid because it basically needs a coat of paint and then everything bolting back on to it and its "done".
remember my dilema is not because i dont want the car, its down my family commitments. running a business is hard, especially when you have to chase cheques after materials have been bought. i came a cropper last month because of this and only just scraped through, (i had to send some heavies round to collect my cheque!) if im honest the money i spent on the car i should have used a capital, but i didnt, and now i NEED that extra money, as im chasing bigger jobs, so the risks increase. i need to be able to support my family, and at this moment i cant jepodise that because of a lump of 'rare' metal.
money is rare these days. just alone food shopping in this country has gone up around 20% ive noticed in the last three months. and im paying £1.11 per litre for fuel in my truck!
im 24, running a business, a house and now a family.
i think about storing it up somewhere but whats the point in that, id much rather know someone was giving it the attention it deserves? |
Speaking from past similar experiences from others including myself, in reality the first moment you considered selling the process has already started, its now just a matter of exactly when, and coming to terms with it. A key part of you is no longer completely committed to the car nomatter how much you love the car, so the separation process has started. Next you have acknowledged other key priorities that truly come first at this point, having chosen a new focus that needs your complete commitment for it to succeed (which takes several years to do), and your family is depending on your responsible investments moving forward, you've got alot riding on your decision here.
So you don't really need further input other than to perhaps temporarily assist with the grieving process. Letting go is never easy, but it doesn't mean you are out of the hobby for good, its just a matter of timing. At the age 24 you have your whole life ahead of you, and you should already be proud at your age to even have owned a split, mine didn't come until 33, and that came well after I wanted one. But I realized early on around your age that I needed to establish myself financially first, so that I could acquire and invest in the cars I wanted without issue or struggle.
There is all kinds of feedback here, but its biased based on what someone else would do whom aren't walking in your shoes, so advice is most often emotionally driven rather than logic and wisdom taking everything into consideration here. Given the economic challenges ahead selling the car will help pad your business and family needs should you need it, and nothing will strain a marriage like an unrestored car (a $ asset) sitting under wraps for perhaps years. Examine your own personality too, if you keep it and tuck it away, will you be able to resist not working on it, or looking for parts, trolling the web, etc? If your business alone requires 100% of you time you can't afford to be whittling away with the time you have.
Keep the faith though, once you are focused on the business, you will have the mental focus on what will be needed along the way to get ahead one way or the other, and during a challenging period ahead the less distractions the better. You will have plenty of time to acquire a split in the near future, perhaps even before 30 if you are able to remain focused on your primary responsibilities.
Best wishes with the decision.
Gary |
Very good advice Gary. |
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Lee Ivatt
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:44 pm Post subject: thank you |
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Thanks Gary, ive never spoken to you before but remember you from having read a lot or your posts, i think you must but the most unbiasd and logical person on this forum. thanks again for your advise, i kinda already thought in my head everything you said, i guess i just needed to hear it from someone else.
obviously 95% are going to be bias, either owning a split themselves and/or being fanatical/obsessed about them (you know what i mean; even down to recgonising an incorrect washer on a nut and bolt on the underside of the car, thats cool but its not me!).
i knew id get a lot of people saying keep it, and i wished for that, i dont know maby to trick me into thinking i just cant sell it.
as i said before i dont NEED the money, i want the money for security in my business for my family. being self employed means if you go negative you can loose everything. due to a late paying customer i went negative a week before christmas (not good) and luckily i got paid in the end, but i may not be so lucky if it happens again. every extra penny i can put in as capital is a penny away from disaster as far as im concerned!
yes your right, i have already started the "process" buy even having to consider selling. To be honest, and i think this is where a lot of people on here are different to me, I dont actually worship my split!?
Yes its a beautiful, historical, "rare" piece of machinery, and everytime i see those rear windows in my workshop i have a grin on my face. but its just a nice car to me. in fact i love my wifes Golf GtTdi and even my battered/dented old landrover defender i use for work just as much as the split. i love driving to work in the morning in my 110, i get as much joy from that as when i go out in my fatherinlaws 1971 Aston martin!!!!??
i dont know why people say i wont ever find another? from deciding i wanted a split and also specifically a 1949 split, it took me 2 weeks untill i had one in my workshop!
well, i think now my minds made up. As you say its just a matter of when?
id really like it if i could mail someone some brief pictures, just to show how far ive come on my journey with the car, theyre not recent but will have to do for now. just thought people would like to "put a face" to the car were talking about. anyone?? |
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Keep in mind Lee....................You CAN always find another one regardless what anyone says around here. Somebody is going to get yours. Seems like Carlos Guzman sold a '49 standard just a couple of years ago. It's all about what's important to you NOW.
Gary said it all IMO.
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As Bob stated, everything is around, and I mean everything. Split window popouts, batwing horn rings, fog lights, Schwimmwagens (You get the message). If you are patient, and ready, you will find just about anything you want. If you had an original 1944 I might say something else, but if you want a split, there will be another. You might not get it the moment you are ready to get another one, but you WILL find one.
The trick in life is being at the table when the winning roll is dealt. Some people would have you hold on to your car and go bankrupt. I would advise sell the car now, focus on what is going to keep you in the game, and buy the car when you are ready down the road. None of these cars, boats, motorcycles, etc... are worth it. I saw Carroll Shelby sell his 1969 GT500 Convertible that he's owned since new at Barrett Jackson. Who knows why he parted with it, maybe he had another car he was after or he had bills to pay
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nlorntson
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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I concur with everthing Gary stated.
As another owner of a '49 (deluxe) I can tell you the parts are tough to find. It has taken us years to get the hard pieces and now I am down to stupid things like the special bolt that screws into the cable brake adjuster cam on the backing plate to adjust the brake shoes out. One damn bolt, but I can't properly stop the car without it.
I mentioned this before that I though it would be a good thing to collect the names of folks that are restoring these much older cars so we can SHARE parts amongst ourselves.
I'll bet I have some things you need and visa versa. If there was a "trade only" attitude, we could all work it out.
If you want to give it a try, PM me and we can talk. |
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I get Gary's point too. It's hard to decide for another person.
56OvalRHD mentioned that even Carrol Shelby sold his Shelby at Barrett-Jackson recently. In his case, he has a huge Charity that became his Biggest reason for waking up each day. He's getting pretty up there in age, has had some health issues and that can surely make someone think differently about what's really Important to them now. The Money all went to Charity & I think that was pretty teriffic! 
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:56 am Post subject: Storage |
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Ever hear of a 10 X 10 storage locker? Keep it and all of it's parts in there. Don't look at it for a year, make the monthly storage payment and then see if you miss it. I would keep it if it were me!
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Here's the pics of Lee's '49...
I'll let him explain them. 
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| wow!!! any way u could post a pic of that awesome car.would love to see it. i will search else where in here to c if u posted pics of it ..WORKING 7 DAYS A WEEK AND NO MONEY? JUST KIDDING!!!!! KEEP YOUR SPLIT |
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Lee Ivatt
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:13 pm Post subject: pics |
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Oh the moneys coming in alright, its just that it goes out just as fast.
as i said its not that im short on money, the reason is the money from the 49 and the extra money id be spending to finnish it off, would be better used in my business as capital rather than parked in my cartlodge! |
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Lee Ivatt
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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Here's the pics of Lee's '49...
I'll let him explain them. |
hey thanks fonz, much appreciated.
ok the pics are old, i have some up to date ones, but i hope these give people a quick idea of my progress with the car.
Pic 1, is when i got the car. looks more like a vw polo harlequin model!
thats my 1985 ford rs turbo, which took me 3.5 years to restore from a wreck with no front end! Sold it to fund the 49', so i know about regret!
you may also catch the Aston martin, i've also been restoring this, its now back in its original factory red colour.
this has fooled many people but the 49 is not actually on a chassis there, id just put some wheels under it to see what it looked like. this was before i chose the stock route!
Pic 2 back from sandblasting, you can just make out the chassis in the back of my pickup. i couldnt believe how solid the car was, was very lucky with this one. on the rs turbo when it was sandblasted you could see through the car!!!
pic 3 heres my chassis after many months of blood and sweat. just need to change the rear drums back to the cables.
pics 4/5 are mounting the body to the chassis. my hiab came in handy, as no one was around to help!
so theres some old pics. id like to think ive done well considering all i started with was a shell and bare chassis
thanks again fonz. |
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nlorntson
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Lee, It looks like your 49 is a deluxe with cable brakes as it appears to have holes for the body moulding. Is this the case? This is what my October 49 is (body number 75755) also.
I know you said it was a standard, but not all cable brake cars of this year were standards and I have always thought of a standard as one with no holes for the body moulding. Just wondering. |
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Lee, It looks like your 49 is a deluxe with cable brakes as it appears to have holes for the body moulding. Is this the case? This is what my October 49 is (body number 75755) also.
I know you said it was a standard, but not all cable brake cars of this year were standards and I have always thought of a standard as one with no holes for the body moulding. Just wondering. |
Yes, that is why I asked if his birth certificate really says "standard".
All 49 cars came with cable brakes but the bordeaux red and the trim holes say "deluxe model".
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I sold this 49 Standard a few years back, Yeah I miss it but whachugona do!
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Lee Ivatt
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| Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:45 am Post subject: pics |
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Hi all. no it is a standard. the holes were put in buy a previous owner. theyre welded up now!!
also it doesnt have the extra clips inside the roof for the deluxe headlinning. vin no is 1-0-132 757
i was extremly dissapointed when i found this out, as id wanted to buy a deluxe. but now ive grown to like the standard more. hell thats the reason why i changed my mind and decided to restore it stock, if it was a deluxe ida slammed it with a turbo motor. |
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Lee Ivatt
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| Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:27 am Post subject: Thanks |
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Ok well thanks everyone for your kind and informative advice. Ive made my decision.
Please check the classifieds  |
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