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Martin Southwell
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 Posted: Fri May 02, 2025 2:22 pm Post subject: When did they stop using Welah Ladies Hat seals? |
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Question: When did they stop using Welah Ladies Hat seals? Those behind the clips that hold the trim on Beetle front 1/4s and bonnet (hood). Should they be on a 56? They appear in the VW 56 parts manual as 21.5mm diameter items, but don't specify when fitted. Thanks for any help.
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finster
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2025 1:38 am Post subject: Re: When did they stop using Welah Ladies Hat seals? |
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if I remember correctly, my june 56 US spec oval had them. suboval's original 28k mileage 57 oval has them...
and in another thread janerick3 says they were used until 60 then replaced with the push through cups.
interestingly the term witches hat seems to be used but they are more the shape of welsh hats.
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Martin Southwell
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2025 2:30 am Post subject: Re: When did they stop using Welah Ladies Hat seals? |
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| Thanks for that info. I had suspected that even my 59 had them years ago when I 1st got the car. Somebody was trying to suggest that the later style should be fitted, and then the Welsh hat in addition. Belt & braces. |
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wagen19
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2025 3:11 am Post subject: Re: When did they stop using Welah Ladies Hat seals? |
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| Martin Southwell wrote: |
| Thanks for that info. I had suspected that even my 59 had them years ago when I 1st got the car. Somebody was trying to suggest that the later style should be fitted, and then the Welsh hat in addition. Belt & braces. |
The new style of from outside fitted rubber seals started VIN 2 539 142, Aug 11th, 1959.
To combine better function and old look, you can put the old style rubber from inside upon the newer rubber seals. |
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Martin Southwell
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2025 11:08 am Post subject: Re: When did they stop using Welah Ladies Hat seals? |
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| Who sells these items? |
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stale air
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Martin Southwell
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2025 2:56 pm Post subject: Re: When did they stop using Welah Ladies Hat seals? |
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| Many thanks. |
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my3bugs
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2025 3:00 pm Post subject: Re: When did they stop using Welah Ladies Hat seals? |
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| around here we called en Witches hats for some reason . |
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splitjunkie
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2025 3:32 am Post subject: Re: When did they stop using Welah Ladies Hat seals? |
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| Martin Southwell wrote: |
| Who sells these items? |
Wolfsburg West sells them too.
https://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=111857219
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stale air
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2025 5:01 am Post subject: Re: When did they stop using Welah Ladies Hat seals? |
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Nice, I bought some years ago from them, but when I looked yesterday, damn if I could find them. So, thanks for posting. 
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IN2VWS
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2025 11:09 pm Post subject: Re: When did they stop using Welah Ladies Hat seals? |
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| my3bugs wrote: |
| around here we called en Witches hats for some reason . |
Same here. Always known them as witches hats for over 40 years
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2025 8:57 am Post subject: Re: When did they stop using Welah Ladies Hat seals? |
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There are two sizes for those "Witches Hats". A shorter/smaller type was used on the forward side of the Oval dash IIRC...
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