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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:55 pm    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

Yes, the berg cutter is just like Nicks cutter.

I just used a long 8mm rod, and made a round block with a slot. The block has set screws onto the rod, and it holds the cutter. The 8mm rod goes all the way through. It is the pilot, and also what is chucked on.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:25 pm    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

I recently finished an all new 2332cc engine with new CB Wedgeport heads. I had it on the dyno breaking in the cam, and more than one pushrod tube seal on each side started puking oil.
I rarely have any issues with push rod tube seals. I sent a quick message to Pat Downs, and he confirmed my suspicion that the seats for the seals are not cut deep enough.
I made up a quick tool, and cut all 8 seal seats on the mill.
Pics are before and after, seal height differences, and the one light grey head is the seal height in an OEM VW head for reference.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:01 pm    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

How the heck did you make that cutter? It looks like it was peeled back from the rest of it. Are they cut at a 45?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 7:04 pm    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

It is supposed to be concave- not straight. And seals need to stick up above a little.

That is the beauty of machinetools- you can make more tools!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 7:44 pm    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

nsracing wrote:
And seals need to stick up above a little.

sorry, i disagree
I see no advantage to the seals sticking out on one side. And it will just be one side, and that's the problem, shifts it sideways, metal part of the tube hitting the head, won't seal well.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:14 pm    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

nsracing wrote:
It is supposed to be concave- not straight. And seals need to stick up above a little.


I checked a bunch of OEM VW heads, and none of them leave the seal sitting high. They are all almost flush. This pic I posted above is an original VW 043 head. If you look at them closely, they are a straight cut. It’s really obvious on the case side.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:21 pm    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

chrisflstf wrote:
How the heck did you make that cutter? It looks like it was peeled back from the rest of it. Are they cut at a 45?


The main shaft has a 3/8” cross hole. The cutter is just a piece of 3/8” round tool steel I used to make the cutter blade itself. The cutter slides into the main shaft cross hole, and there is a set screw up from the bottom to hold it in place. It all came out of the scrap bin.

I think it was 38deg.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 10:23 pm    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

If it seals then that is all that matters. The tubes be at an angle and the seals will crook and one side be sticking up some.

And the pockets be rounded as they were from factory
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2025 1:11 am    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

[quote="Brian_e"]I recently finished an all new 2332cc engine with new CB Wedgeport heads. I had it on the dyno breaking in the cam, and more than one pushrod tube seal on each side started puking oil.
I rarely have any issues with push rod tube seals. I sent a quick message to Pat Downs, and he confirmed my suspicion that the seats for the seals are not cut deep enough.
I made up a quick tool, and cut all 8 seal seats on the mill.
Pics are before and after, seal height differences, and the one light grey head is the seal height in an OEM VW head for reference.

Brian

How did the engine and heads work besides the oil leak?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2025 6:39 am    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

74 Thing wrote:
How did the engine and heads work besides the oil leak?


It was leaking bad enough I didn’t even make any pulls. It was dripping all over the fancy polished stainless header, so I made it through the cam break in, and shut it down to fix it

It will be back together here soon, and back on the dyno for tuning.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2025 10:13 am    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

Brian_e wrote:
I recently finished an all new 2332cc engine with new CB Wedgeport heads. I had it on the dyno breaking in the cam, and more than one pushrod tube seal on each side started puking oil.
I rarely have any issues with push rod tube seals. I sent a quick message to Pat Downs, and he confirmed my suspicion that the seats for the seals are not cut deep enough.
I made up a quick tool, and cut all 8 seal seats on the mill.
Pics are before and after, seal height differences, and the one light grey head is the seal height in an OEM VW head for reference.

Brian


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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2025 10:14 am    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

Last summer on our 16 day, 3200mile Utah bus road trip, one IDF manifold base broke a bolt flange off. I made 2 phone calls, and had a used CB offset in hand. Swapped it on, and drove home.

I had my buddy weld up the old one, and then I needed to make it flat again, and spot face for the nuts.

I 3D printed an angle plate to bolt the manifold to, and went to town. I had to make a sleeve to fit the arbor into the 8mm flange hole, but it all worked out nice. Quick porting on the inside, and the whole thing is all back together, stronger than before.
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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2025 1:33 pm    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

Non sequitor
Any recommendations for a slide saw for cutting non ferous metals?
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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2025 2:25 pm    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

What are you people cutting now? Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2025 4:32 am    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

Turning 4x8 sheets of 1/4" Aluminium into 8"x10" triangles for roof brackets.
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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2025 5:22 am    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

My dad used to put a worn down abrasive chop saw blade into his Skill saw to cut big sheets up. It was really loud and slow, but it would do it.

These days, just find anyone with a plasma table and have them cut it. The cut edge quality sucks with plasma, but it will still be quicker and easier than trying to do it by hand.

Or there are always mail order shops like Send-Cut-Send, Laser Bros, or OshCut.

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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2025 11:32 am    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

Living in VT at the 45th parallel leaves little options.
Make do or do without
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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2025 11:37 am    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

Any woodworking tool can cut aluminum, although how long it will survive doing so varies.
Last year I cut up a lot of 1" aluminum scrap with a screw drive framing saw running at 90 volts to slow it down, that's was pretty hardcore LOL, but it works, and made an absolutely profound mess also.

I was going to say I didn't know what a slide saw is......
Then I realized it's probably like a table saw except the work is guided on a trolley. I've seen pictures of such things, but they look expensive.

It's cheap to clip to size with a big sheer, and it's nice to have it cut to size with a water jet.
In many cases having it cut or sheered to size before it's shipped to you is the cheaper way.
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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2025 11:43 am    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

lots of metal cutting blades these days for circular saws and table saws. they'd have zero problems with alum. your big box store sells them....
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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2025 12:38 pm    Post subject: Re: The Machine Work Thread Reply with quote

YEAH! it's true. Dry cut chop saws pretty common now for aluminum.
And the blades could be used on a table saw or whatever.
You will just have to be very mindful of the danger and mess.
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