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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2025 12:36 pm    Post subject: Trim for big cam Reply with quote

How much will I need to trim my lifter bosses for a big cam, say an FK8?

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How much lift can I run before I need clearance?

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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2025 12:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Trim for big cam Reply with quote

You don't need to trim the lifter boss, but you do have to clearance the cam for the connecting rods.
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2025 1:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Trim for big cam Reply with quote

You may need to trim lifter bores if you have a large base circle cam or thick lifter heads (need to check the parts your using even stock cam), but as Glenn said has nothing to do with cam lift.
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2025 2:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Trim for big cam Reply with quote

It depends on the base circle of the cam and what lifters you use.
Has not much to do with the actual cam grind.
I've never needed to get additional clearance, probably because I use the cb lightweight lifters mainly.
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2025 2:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Trim for big cam Reply with quote

But anyway far as how much clearance you need, IMO the valve spring is the limit stop, the spring should bind before the lifter hits the case or the retainer hits the guide.
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2025 3:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Trim for big cam Reply with quote

since you're putting a cam in anyway, you could just measure how much clearance you have ...
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2025 3:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Trim for big cam Reply with quote

With the right parts selected, an 82m crank will go together with almost zero extra work on anything. At most, you might need to buff the very corners off the connecting rod caps to clear the cam. I do this quick on the belt sander.

For the lifter clearance, you will have the most trouble with the Engle lifters. Big ol' muffin top on those, and they weight a ton. CB lightweights, and TP lifters have a mile of room.

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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2025 4:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Trim for big cam Reply with quote

bedlamite wrote:
since you're putting a cam in anyway, you could just measure how much clearance you have ...


Right.
Ive put in a couple cams that needed a little lifter bore clearancing, only one real way to know though.
Or they’ll clearance themselves, no real need to worry. or you can rely on coil bind to act as a bump stop too, lotta ways to do it.
Measure and check everything like rain man but assume the lifter clearance to bores will be ok, yeh sure its fine its fiiiine
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2025 5:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Trim for big cam Reply with quote

I've got an Engle W120 with CB lightweight lifters in an AS41 case and I'm going to have to trim every one of my lifter bosses. Confused The only way to be sure is to check.
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2025 5:51 am    Post subject: Re: Trim for big cam Reply with quote

modok wrote:
It depends on the base circle of the cam and what lifters you use.
Has not much to do with the actual cam grind.
I've never needed to get additional clearance, probably because I use the cb lightweight lifters mainly.


Base circle is a discussion we seldom see here. Ran into this in a Vincent race bike years ago. My lawyer and I were in Vegas for the Mint 400...

Seriously, new billets for Vincent cams were kinda scarce. The quick 'n' dirty is to reduce the base circle for more effective lift. Except... the reduced base circle slams the valve train. We were breaking valve springs in eight laps or less at Loudon.

Ancient valve springs were part of the deal.

My take- away is I want the biggest base circle that is practical.

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Right.
Ive put in a couple cams that needed a little lifter bore clearancing, only one real way to know though.
Or they’ll clearance themselves, no real need to worry. or you can rely on coil bind to act as a bump stop too, lotta ways to do it.
Measure and check everything like rain man but assume the lifter clearance to bores will be ok, yeh sure its fine its fiiiine


You're right. Nothing will break, it will just grind the high spots off my cam otherwise known as lobes. Those old J.C. Whitney 3/4 race cams are too radical for the street, anyway. Laughing

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I've got an Engle W120 with CB lightweight lifters in an AS41 case and I'm going to have to trim every one of my lifter bosses. Confused The only way to be sure is to check.


That gives me something to work with. All else being equal Laughing the roughly .400 cam lift of the 120 is more likely to require clearancing.

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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2025 10:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Trim for big cam Reply with quote

There is variation in cases, cams and lifters.

You will only know if you need to trim the lifter bosses or not if you check them.

Don’t assume anything. Measure.
Trusting some dudes on the forum is folly no matter how smart they might be! Smile

IIRC you want at least .060 clearance.
Might be remembering that number wrong.
Check that too! Razz
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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2025 9:05 am    Post subject: Re: Trim for big cam Reply with quote

I've read one source that said you need .040" and another that said .050". Not sure what's correct but mine are way less than .030", IIRC.
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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2025 9:16 am    Post subject: Re: Trim for big cam Reply with quote

.040

Hard to imagine a FK8 needs lifter bore clearancing or any ratio rocker cam for that matter.

Still have to check, but I’ve only run into that with a W125 and thick head Engle lifters.

Easy job with Berg tool
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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2025 11:36 am    Post subject: Re: Trim for big cam Reply with quote

I was lookin' for a Flat Earth Society Line In The Sand, a number that if not exceeded is the "go" number, more than that "no go". I reckon it's around .400 cam lift with Engle Fathead lifters as mentioned. The FK8 has .382 cam lift, close enough. The FK89 has .416.

The .060 clearance is a handy number, call it 1/16. Anything over zero is good.

"Why did I break my lifter bosses?"


There are all sorts of details I never had to concern myself with in stock or near stock rebuilds.

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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2025 11:46 am    Post subject: Re: Trim for big cam Reply with quote

txoval wrote:
.040

Easy job with Berg tool

I'm happy to hear that. I ordered the Berg tool yesterday. Cool
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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2025 2:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Trim for big cam Reply with quote

I've heard .040 and .060
But I just go by my own logic
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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2025 3:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Trim for big cam Reply with quote

Take your time, low pressure.

It will cut fast…last thing you want is .200 clearance Very Happy

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.040

Easy job with Berg tool

I'm happy to hear that. I ordered the Berg tool yesterday. Cool
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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2025 5:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Trim for big cam Reply with quote

txoval wrote:
Take your time, low pressure.

It will cut fast…last thing you want is .200 clearance Very Happy

If it works like I think it does, I plan to add a positive stop to it to (hopefully) keep me from making any stupid mistakes like that. Laughing
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I wouldent waste $ or thyme on building a small motor. build it big so it dosent have to work hard.remember it's only as fast as your foot alows it to be unless you build a small turd then it just stinks as it squishes up through your toes when you step on it.
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