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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 7:26 pm    Post subject: 67: lowering the front end Reply with quote

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After 2 years of owning my 67, I'm interested in lowering the front end. I'm looking to upgrade the ride while on So Cal freeways at 65-70 mph, and around town. I'll usually have a passenger and occasionally back seat passengers.

I'm not interested in the slammed front end, Cal Look.

I have read that just drop spindles will cause tire rub when making a U turn or speed bumps.

Currently, I have 165/70 15's and am probably going to go 185's all the way around.

I'll also upgrade the brakes to disc in the front.

Do I want just the adjustable beam? Looking at AirKewld PROBuilt and a few others, complete front end.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 8:30 pm    Post subject: Re: 67: lowering the front end Reply with quote

RC67convert wrote:
I'm not interested in the slammed front end. I'll also upgrade the brakes to disc in the front. Do I want just the adjustable beam?

Sounds like an adjustable beam would be just the ticket, but you don't need to spend big bucks on AirKewld hardware for an otherwise stock VW.

Here's one sold by CB Performance that's based on an OEM beam > Adjustable ball-joint beam
You'll just need to transfer the torsion leaves, trailing arms, etc. from your current beam and you'll be in business.

If you want to add disc brakes, you'll also need different spindles to replace the ones on there now. Then you can use standard disc brake components available from many of the usual suppliers > Disc brake spindles and front end components

I used an adjustable beam to lower the front of my Bug too. Not slam it...just lower it enough to lose that 'nose-high' stance they all seem to have. This car still uses standard shocks and the 165/80-15 tires don't rub, even at full lock. Ride quality is the same as a bone-stock Beetle.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 11:36 pm    Post subject: Re: 67: lowering the front end Reply with quote

Have you considered whether you are keeping the wide-5 (5x205mm) '67-earlier wheel pattern or changing to later 4x130mm bolt pattern when upgrading to disc brakes? The '67 Beetles that came from the factory with disc brakes used 4x130mm Ghia disc brakes and later style 4x130mm wheels.

Many 5x205mm front disc brake kits will push the wheels out 7/8" on each side. To compensate you may need to narrow the front beam a corresponding amount. This should be considered if you are buying an adjustable front beam. You may need to shop for a narrowed+adjustable beam.

Also, many wide-5 disc kits (Empi) are meant to be bolt-on to stock height drum spindles. If going this direction you don't want to switch to Ghia front disc spindles. These wide-5 disc rotors are custom and you may want to make sure where you can buy replacement discs. Ghia style 4x130mm discs and calipers are common VW OE replacements.


So if you keep your wide-5 wheels you may need a custom disc brake kit which may need a narrowed beam.
Or, switch to Ghia style 4x130mm disc kits require different wheels, or wheel adapters. Wheel adapters push the wheels out so deeper offset wheels may be needed, or a narrowed beam. Depending on the disc kit you may need new Ghia spindles. There are bolt-on drum spindle disc kits as well.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2025 4:27 am    Post subject: Re: 67: lowering the front end Reply with quote

RC67convert wrote:
Looking at AirKewld PROBuilt and a few others, complete front end.

Thanks


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2025 11:01 pm    Post subject: Re: 67: lowering the front end Reply with quote

ashman40 wrote:
Have you considered whether you are keeping the wide-5 (5x205mm) '67-earlier wheel pattern or changing to later 4x130mm bolt pattern when upgrading to disc brakes? The '67 Beetles that came from the factory with disc brakes used 4x130mm Ghia disc brakes and later style 4x130mm wheels.

Many 5x205mm front disc brake kits will push the wheels out 7/8" on each side. To compensate you may need to narrow the front beam a corresponding amount. This should be considered if you are buying an adjustable front beam. You may need to shop for a narrowed+adjustable beam.

Also, many wide-5 disc kits (Empi) are meant to be bolt-on to stock height drum spindles. If going this direction you don't want to switch to Ghia front disc spindles. These wide-5 disc rotors are custom and you may want to make sure where you can buy replacement discs. Ghia style 4x130mm discs and calipers are common VW OE replacements.


So if you keep your wide-5 wheels you may need a custom disc brake kit which may need a narrowed beam.
Or, switch to Ghia style 4x130mm disc kits require different wheels, or wheel adapters. Wheel adapters push the wheels out so deeper offset wheels may be needed, or a narrowed beam. Depending on the disc kit you may need new Ghia spindles. There are bolt-on drum spindle disc kits as well.


You bring up a good point. If going to 4 bolt wheels he can keep the stock spindles, or go with drop spindles, and run the Karmann Ghia disc brakes. The Ghia brakes can be used with drum brake spindles with a readily available adapter bracket.

With the 4 bolt pattern there are a number of OEM wheel options. The Ghia and Type 3 run wheels with an offset of ET+46. The stock wide 5 Bug wheel is ET+33. Ghia or type 3 wheels would pull the tires in 1/2 inch and that should allow the use of drop spindles (with or without Ghia disc brakes) without hitting the fender.

For a mild lowering I would most likely go with a stock beam with adjusters, or drop spindles. It is worth noting that most replacement spindles will require the use of the mid-1968 and newer inner wheel bearings and outer tie rod ends. The spindles are also a fixed 2-1/2 inch drop. The adjustable beam requires the front end to be pulled out, but that isn't very hard.

Watch out for aftermarket "stock" wheels. Many of them don't have as much backspace as the OEM wheels. If you want to change the wheels for custom aftermarket wheels most of them push the tires out and that needs to be taken into consideration too.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2025 9:41 am    Post subject: Re: 67: lowering the front end Reply with quote

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I saw you in your car driving through Santa Cruz last year. I now own a ruby red Santa Cruz car sold new by Bob Bowman. You might have seen it in town when the first owner, Mr. Streeter had it. He had it since new u til he passed away in 2020. Nice stance and original look on yours.

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