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Glenn 
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 Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: Limitations of vw engine? |
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| ORANGECRUSHer wrote: |
I can't beleive with a post count of 0 and half-assed questions you guys didn't send this guy to pack sand and do his obligatory research. All those questions are easily found ten times over if he had just not been lazy and asked a bunch of vague, broadranging, situation dependant questions. I'm very disappointed.  
PS. it's my time of the week... sorry  |
People like to hear themselves talk.
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modok
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 9:09 pm Post subject: Re: Limitations of vw engine? |
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maybe's he's a goofball, but, even a goofball deserves one chance, if not two
Why is he a goof?....He didn't notice know a subaru ej25 is over head cam |
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Goingslow
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 4:18 am Post subject: Re: Limitations of vw engine? |
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| modok wrote: |
maybe's he's a goofball, but, even a goofball deserves one chance, if not two
Why is he a goof?....He didn't notice know a subaru ej25 is over head cam |
Where did I say it wasn't ohc? |
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Dusty1
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 6:07 am Post subject: Re: Limitations of vw engine? |
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| ORANGECRUSHer wrote: |
| I can't beleive with a post count of 0 and half-assed questions you guys didn't send this guy to pack sand and do his obligatory research. |
When I was a kid our school library had a subscription to Hot Rod Magazine. I didn't realize I should have talked my parents into moving out to San Bernardino or Riverside right then. That's where it was happening.
I read every last one of those magazines. Later, I found the complete bound archive of Hot Rod all the way back to the 1950s in the County library.
The old County library is a ruin now along with the poor farm next door. Seems people rely on information they get on their cell phones these days. Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom and so forth.
I reckon consumption of information makes you smarter while consumption of mis- information is the other way around. Regardless, the internet makes everyone grumpy. No joy on the internet.
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Schepp
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 6:13 am Post subject: Re: Limitations of vw engine? |
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It happens all the time on every forum. Some rando comes along who knows jack and pokes the hornets nest. Then steps back to watch us eat ourselves.
Kind of funny how a guy who's tag is "going slow" dives in with this post.
No location or anything about what his application is. |
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Dale M.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 6:44 am Post subject: Re: Limitations of vw engine? |
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Problem with "social media", like "facebook" and the likes most people can only read what on their current screen or what is provided by the "app"... What they may be looking for might be a few strokes below but they can not see that because they can only see what's current not what is historically stored a few minutes/hours/days/weeks ago.. So they have to generate new message to fill their current screen...
And now AI has come along and there is so much misinformation and generated graphics that are wrong it is going to get worse because the people that have so much faith in what the see on the internet are going to be totally clueless to reality....
Its going to be a case of "suffer the fools" as life goes on...
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vamram
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 6:50 am Post subject: Re: Limitations of vw engine? |
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| Dale M. wrote: |
Problem with "social media", like "facebook" and the likes most people can only read what on their current screen or what is provided by the "app"... What they may be looking for might be a few strokes below but they can not see that because they can only see what's current not what is historically stored a few minutes/hours/days/weeks ago.. So they have to generate new message to fill their current screen...
And now AI has come along and there is so much misinformation and generated graphics that are wrong it is going to get worse because the people that have so much faith in what the see on the internet are going to be totally clueless to reality....
Its going to be a case of "suffer the fools" as life goes on... |
This. Speaking of FB, I read a post on FB a few years back by Chris Valone stating his opinion that thesamba forums needed to be modernized to be more like FB. For that life of me, this makes no sense. The Samba as it is may not be glitzy but it's a great searchable library that, compared to FB, is super easy to find solutions for most ACVW issues. I'm not a fan of AI, but I wonder if integrating it into the search function would make finding answers to already-asked questions easier...
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modok
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:26 am Post subject: Re: Limitations of vw engine? |
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| Goingslow wrote: |
As said, from what I know.
If I'm wrong then I'm happy to be corrected.
So are anyone running a subaru bottom end?
Split heads and a new cam could be used I guess. What bore spacing does the EJ use?
Maybe a cheap way to get a solid bottom.
Just get a junk engine and take rotating assembly and put into new case.
99.5mm pistons are better than 94mm too.
After that you could make all hp you want if they are good for 1.4k hp.
And way cheaper than buying a t1 scat billet crank that's weaker anyway. |
oh jeez kid
The bore spacing is the same, 112.5mm, but you don't swap any parts, you just use a suubaru engine, as it overcomes all the limitations of a vw engine.
None of it is cheap
And I really don't think a subaru engine could take a thousand horesepower for more than 10 seconds.
I know you guys got a short attention span buts lets try to make the engine last oh, I don't know, maybe at least 6 hours |
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U&I
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:54 am Post subject: Re: Limitations of vw engine? |
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| Reading some of the replies on this thread is exactly why most of the older guys (it's weird to say that about myself) invest in and build their own physical reference library at home. |
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Dale M.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:58 am Post subject: Re: Limitations of vw engine? |
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| Dale M. wrote: |
Problem with "social media", like "facebook" and the likes most people can only read what on their current screen or what is provided by the "app"... What they may be looking for might be a few strokes below but they can not see that because they can only see what's current not what is historically stored a few minutes/hours/days/weeks ago.. So they have to generate new message to fill their current screen...
And now AI has come along and there is so much misinformation and generated graphics that are wrong it is going to get worse because the people that have so much faith in what the see on the internet are going to be totally clueless to reality....
Its going to be a case of "suffer the fools" as life goes on... |
This. Speaking of FB, I read a post on FB a few years back by Chris Valone stating his opinion that thesamba forums needed to be modernized to be more like FB. For that life of me, this makes no sense. The Samba as it is may not be glitzy but it's a great searchable library that, compared to FB, is super easy to find solutions for most ACVW issues. I'm not a fan of AI, but I wonder if integrating it into the search function would make finding answers to already-asked questions easier... |
It's already integrated into a tractor forum I visit on facebook (don't boo me here ) and so far is been somewhat of a joke as it produces links to non relevant resources and for the most cases most of the users stress "make it go away".... Actually if someone knows how to properly use "search" so far its better than AI...
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Dan_Lockwood
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: Limitations of vw engine? |
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Where did you say it wasn't an overhead cam???
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Maybe a cheap way to get a solid bottom.
Just get a junk engine and take rotating assembly and put into new case.
99.5mm pistons are better than 94mm too. |
When you reference using the bottom end of a Subaru and add VW top end, that pretty much says you didn't know that the Subaru was an overhead cam and the cam in a VW is in the case below the crank.
But you may also have been suggesting that we should just put the Subaru lower innards into a VW case and start from scratch???
I agree with most here, just bolt in a Subaru and forget about the AC VW altogether.
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Dusty1
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 7:03 am Post subject: Re: Limitations of vw engine? |
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After much meditation and contemplation...
The only time I'll be seen in Birkenstocks and tie- dye t- shirt...
I have arrived at the configuration of our new mega horsepower VW motor.
Kilo horsepower, actually. Mega is a lot more.
I gave the Indycar and F1 rule books a quick read. Hey! F1 promises "active aerodynamics" this year. Silly F1 hoidy- toidies! Our Supermodifieds have had active aerodynamics for decades. Nyah, nyah.
Watch the wings. Those are patches of snow on the infield.
Link
Here's what I came up with:
How about a 3 liter flathead four cylinder boxer. Four valves per cylinder with two 40mm intakes per cylinder on top and two 35.5mm below. That won't suck, will it? Oh, wait.
Flatheads will reduce the engine width by at least 50mm. That means in time honored flathead tradition we can add a whole bunch to the stroke. Pushrods can be shorter, too.
Two spark plugs per cylinder 'cuz a 4" bore is a long way for a flame to travel.
I should sketch it out on CAD for those who lack imagination. Just picture a four cylinder four valve per cylinder Briggs & Stratton pancake.
Flathead.
Coming soon to a Tractor Supply near you.
Ferdinand Porsche would approve. Maybe.
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