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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 8:36 am    Post subject: Re: Oil pressure alarm, home on a flatbed Reply with quote

I’m going to connect the pressure tester to the low pressure port, beneath cylinders 3-4.
With that switch’s lead disconnected, I should see the led flashing continuously?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 8:42 am    Post subject: Re: Oil pressure alarm, home on a flatbed Reply with quote

zerotofifty wrote:
...0w 60 oil, if that is what gowesty recommends...
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Checking their website, this is what they recommend for their rebuilds (after break in).

Synthetic Motor Oil - 1 QT (10W60)[Bus/Vanagon] – GoWesty https://share.google/nJvLVPUuepOCBdQra
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 8:53 am    Post subject: Re: Oil pressure alarm, home on a flatbed Reply with quote

Ahwahnee wrote:
zerotofifty wrote:
...0w 60 oil, if that is what gowesty recommends...
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Checking their website, this is what they recommend for their rebuilds (after break in).

Synthetic Motor Oil - 1 QT (10W60)[Bus/Vanagon] – GoWesty https://share.google/nJvLVPUuepOCBdQra


Well a 10w 60 is a bit better than the 0w 60 that was noted by other post, I wonder why they want such a heavy oil, well beyond factory rating. They have very loose bearing tolerances?????
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:23 am    Post subject: Re: Oil pressure alarm, home on a flatbed Reply with quote

I remembered the 60wt half. In theory oil too thick creates friction, creates heat, lowers oil pressure. It’s a balance. I try to run the thinnest oil I can to keep oil temps low, but not at the expense of pressure.

60wt seems like overkill, but is part of the GW engine warranty. Not sure of their reasoning.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:59 am    Post subject: Re: Oil pressure alarm, home on a flatbed Reply with quote

MarkWard wrote:
I remembered the 60wt half. In theory oil too thick creates friction, creates heat, lowers oil pressure. It’s a balance. I try to run the thinnest oil I can to keep oil temps low, but not at the expense of pressure.

60wt seems like overkill, but is part of the GW engine warranty. Not sure of their reasoning.


Journal bearings need flow and not pressure, pressure just indicates that oil is being delivered. A tight engine with 20w oil may lube just fine with 30 psi of pressure at, while an engine running 60w might need 60 psi to get the same flow. The 60w though would likely be better for an engine with loose bearing tolerances.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:40 am    Post subject: Re: Oil pressure alarm, home on a flatbed Reply with quote

Results of my test using the Harbor Freight tester:

Cold start it went to 58psi at idle, revving the engine got it around 70

Once warm(rad fan kicked on):
11psi at idle
35psi at 2500 rpm

I did not drive it, just stationary in the garage.

I’m thinking this is the lower end of “ok”? I can’t find a spec in the Bentley

I never got any alarms, but these numbers wouldn’t trigger any, correct?

Thanks,
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:46 am    Post subject: Re: Oil pressure alarm, home on a flatbed Reply with quote

AlfromNH wrote:

Once warm(rad fan kicked on):


was this while idling? if so, that ain't warm. the COOLANT is warm but the engine is doing NO work and the oil temp is no where near as warm as when pushing a brick at 60mph. go for a drive of 1/2 hour at highway speeds and then see what the oil pressure is doing.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil pressure alarm, home on a flatbed Reply with quote

Those warmed up pressures are way above the thresholds for triggering an oil pressure warning with the current spec wbx 2.1 pressure switches.

Warning, various parts places show the wrong spec for the high pressure switch.
It is supposed to be .9 bar but shows up as double that, 1.8 bar in some places.
The 1.8 bar switches are used on various VW inline engines and sometimes one of these gets mistakenly put in a 2.1 wbx engine.

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Once warm(rad fan kicked on):
11psi at idle
35psi at 2500 rpm

I did not drive it, just stationary in the garage.

I’m thinking this is the lower end of “ok”? I can’t find a spec in the Bentley

I never got any alarms, but these numbers wouldn’t trigger any, correct?

Thanks,
Al
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil pressure alarm, home on a flatbed Reply with quote

Dan is spot on. Your idle test suggests you’re not in eminent danger, now take it out on the highway & really warm it up to full operating temp, 15-20 minutes on the highway & report back.

As always, Mark chimes in with a super valid point. Cool

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil pressure alarm, home on a flatbed Reply with quote

AlfromNH wrote:
Results of my test using the Harbor Freight tester:

Cold start it went to 58psi at idle, revving the engine got it around 70

Once warm(rad fan kicked on):
11psi at idle
35psi at 2500 rpm

I did not drive it, just stationary in the garage.

I’m thinking this is the lower end of “ok”? I can’t find a spec in the Bentley

I never got any alarms, but these numbers wouldn’t trigger any, correct?

Thanks,
Al


I would've been very happy with those pressures when hot and underway. I removed my 2.1 wbx when it was roughly at 6 psi at idle and 22ish to 28ish from 2K - 3K rpm.

I had permanently installed an OP gauge during the final two years of the 2.1s life and was able to see pressures decline a bit. That also allowed me to see pressures decline a bit as the engine got really hot climbing Stevens Pass or other times when the load increased.

There is a spec in the Bentley, I believe in my version it's superimposed on an illustration of maybe the oil pump? It specifies a pressures at a given oil temp.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil pressure alarm, home on a flatbed Reply with quote

my lowest OP is at a stop light after driving for a while a higher speeds. I have an automatic so it is in gear and idling. Between 9 and 12 psi. The only reference to OP in Bentley, I have found, is on page 17.9 and it says that OP should be 29 psi at 2000 RPMs.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 4:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil pressure alarm, home on a flatbed Reply with quote

AlfromNH wrote:
Results of my test using the Harbor Freight tester:

Cold start it went to 58psi at idle, revving the engine got it around 70

Once warm(rad fan kicked on):
11psi at idle
35psi at 2500 rpm

I did not drive it, just stationary in the garage.

I’m thinking this is the lower end of “ok”? I can’t find a spec in the Bentley

I never got any alarms, but these numbers wouldn’t trigger any, correct?

Thanks,
Al


That is good pressures!!!!!

Be happy!!!!! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 6:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil pressure alarm, home on a flatbed Reply with quote

zerotofifty wrote:
AlfromNH wrote:
Results of my test


That is good pressures!!!!!

Be happy!!!!! Very Happy


That’s what I like to hear!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 8:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil pressure alarm, home on a flatbed Reply with quote

AlfromNH wrote:
zerotofifty wrote:
AlfromNH wrote:
Results of my test


That is good pressures!!!!!

Be happy!!!!! Very Happy


That’s what I like to hear!


Check it when the engine as been under full load for a while. That could cause the oil to be 30-40°F hotter.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 8:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil pressure alarm, home on a flatbed Reply with quote

^^^ THIS.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:25 am    Post subject: Re: Oil pressure alarm, home on a flatbed Reply with quote

Couple points to ponder.

I hope that your oil pressure is decent, but you have not yet shown that definitively.

I would not consider a Harbor Freight oil pressure gauge to be high enough quality to trust. I haven't specifically used their oil pressure gauge but have used two of their diesel compression test kits and they were both disturbingly inaccurate.

The pressure that actually matters is when the warning buzzer is actually going off. The fact that you tested it at idle in the driveway and the pressure was within spec AND the buzzer was not going off would actually be an indication that the warning system IS working and you DO have a hot oil pressure issue.

Get it out under load and get the buzzer going off again to see the pressure that matters.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2025 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil pressure alarm, home on a flatbed Reply with quote

Drove 50+ miles today after replacing both OP senders. Mix of back roads and highway speeds, still pretty hot here, uppers 80’s.

No oil light or buzzer, temp gauge stayed right in the middle the whole time.

I have the RJ sender manifold on order and plan to add an oil pressure gauge, but for now I’m calling it a win.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil pressure alarm, home on a flatbed Reply with quote

So, no OP gauge on this last drive?

If so, missed opportunity… Embarassed

It’ll be great to have it when you get it. Cool

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