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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 4:21 pm    Post subject: Re: First VW is 69 resurection Reply with quote

You pull the engine back a couple of inches then lower it a couple inches, then pull back a few inches so that by then the clutch has cleared the bell housing then lower enough for the engine to clear the rear apron which should be raised and on stands You only need to remove the rear most tin or breast plate. On Beetles I like to remove one wheel and slide the engine out towards that side.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 4:44 pm    Post subject: Re: First VW is 69 resurection Reply with quote

mercsim wrote:
I'm a bit concerned about the tin by the heads allowing it to move aft to clear the drive shaft. Do they need to come out too?


No, the tins over the cylinder heads stay in place.

Sometimes, I've removed the generator pulley to make "more room" (don't lose the woodruff key). Sometimes I've removed the exhaust before removing the engine, for same reason.

Wear eye protection. 99% of the VW engine R&Rs I've done by myself.


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We have 3 floor jacks, 4 jack stands, and a transmission/ATV jack.


I use a 3-ton floor jack, and I've R&R'd about a hundred VW engines.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 4:51 pm    Post subject: Re: First VW is 69 resurection Reply with quote

What tasb said is how it will work. It is tight but as you pull the engine back a bit it will eventually come back far enough to clear the studs on the bottom. At that point you keep an eye on he trans splined Input shaft and keep working it back until just clear of that. Now you can lower a little and you will find the generator nut getting hung up on the rear apron. So you jack up a little and tilt the engine a little to clear the apron while you jack down slowly. Another set of hands at this point makes it a little easier to accomplish this. All this that has been said by everyone will make sense when you do it. Good luck-Bob
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 9:52 am    Post subject: Re: First VW is 69 resurection Reply with quote

Its out! It came out easier than I expected. Advice from tasb of taking a wheel off saved 6 inches of jacking. Everyone's comments helped:) That's my buddy Jim cleaning it Smile

Is that a stock VW clutch? It doesn't look like the ones I usually see on YouTube. All that oil cooler stuff will come off. Anyone want to trade a stock oil cooler for it? A bunch of white stuff came out of that exhaust port when I pulled it (still on the car)). It doesn't look good. Thoughts?


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 10:57 am    Post subject: Re: First VW is 69 resurection Reply with quote

That is the early style clutch with the ring in the center which uses the early release bearing. In the 70s they removed the center ring and redesigned the release bearing. Glad it worked out for you. Bob
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 1:32 pm    Post subject: Re: First VW is 69 resurection Reply with quote

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I've got that same type oil cooler on my 1835cc DP engine (Phoenix) since 1976, and I've been happy with it, keeps #3 and #4 cooler.

My rubber oil lines started to seep a tiny amount of oil after 31 years, so advise to install new hoses every 30 years.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2025 10:54 am    Post subject: Re: First VW is 69 resurection Reply with quote

Cusser, would you advise continuing to use that cooler even with all that fin damage?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2025 2:48 pm    Post subject: Re: First VW is 69 resurection Reply with quote

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Cusser, would you advise continuing to use that cooler even with all that fin damage?


No, I'd get a new cooler unit, available separately. Example: https://www.jbugs.com/product/9243.html

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I made a slip-over sheet metal guard for my oil cooler, I place it over the cooler before I remove the engine to protect it, and leave it on for the engine install. I don't have any photos of that guard at this time.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2025 6:04 pm    Post subject: Re: First VW is 69 resurection Reply with quote

Cusser in all the years that I have fooled with these cars I have never used an auxiliary cooler like that one. Looking at this one, my first thought would be that it would partially block the flow of air into the fan housing. Secondly I would think that the air that flowed down to the heads would be warmer because some of it flowed through the cooling fins of the cooler. Because you have this setup on your car and live in Arizona, could you educate me on how it works? Thanks Bob
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2025 6:48 pm    Post subject: Re: First VW is 69 resurection Reply with quote

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Cusser in all the years that I have fooled with these cars I have never used an auxiliary cooler like that one. Looking at this one, my first thought would be that it would partially block the flow of air into the fan housing. Secondly I would think that the air that flowed down to the heads would be warmer because some of it flowed through the cooling fins of the cooler. Because you have this setup on your car and live in Arizona, could you educate me on how it works? Thanks Bob

Prior to 1971 year, #3 and #4 were "cooled" by air that first flowed through the non-doghouse oil cooler. I bought a 1970 sedan with dealer-installed DPD air conditioning in 1972, and soon noticed that the rubber spark plug seals for #3 and #4 got hard and brittle in a couple of months, while #1 and #2 stayed flexible. I understand that the "cooling air may be a little warmer than with stock system, but #3 and #4 definitely run cooler than with stock.

Hot VWs Magazine - believe June 1974 edition - had an article about installing such oil cooler to alleviate that unbalanced cooling and simultaneously adding a real oil filter. So when in fall 1976 - the first time I had earned vacation from work - I built an 1835cc engine for my 1970, I added this kind of oil cooler, and an oil temperature gauge. A few years later - due to potential mess changing the oil filter - I removed the oil filter and installed a Maxi2 oil pump/filter from Claude's Buggies/CB Performance instead.

Anyway, I made numerous trips to and from Arizona to California with this set-up, even used the AC. The last time the engine was apart was in 1986, and about 20 years ago I installed that into my 1971 VW Convertible (and that engine I rebuilt and now have in that 1970 sedan).

I don't claim this system works better than a doghouse system. I don't necessarily recommend this system to others. But I still use it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2025 3:48 am    Post subject: Re: First VW is 69 resurection Reply with quote

Thanks for the explanation. Driving your car through the heat of the southwest US would be enough proof to me that the pictured system works. I was just not familiar with the placement of the cooler so near the fan intake opening. Thanks Bob
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2025 7:25 am    Post subject: Re: First VW is 69 resurection Reply with quote

Cusser wrote:
Hot VWs Magazine - believe June 1974 edition - had an article about installing such oil cooler to alleviate that unbalanced cooling and simultaneously adding a real oil filter.


Bobs67vwagen wrote:
Thanks for the explanation. Driving your car through the heat of the southwest US would be enough proof to me that the pictured system works. I was just not familiar with the placement of the cooler so near the fan intake opening. Thanks Bob

Understand that back in 1974 that doghouse shrouds, oil coolers, etc., were still dealer-only, and expensive.

I do not necessarily advise or recommend folks to consider or use the oil cooler I do, or to use thin-wall 92mm cylinders like I do.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2025 7:23 pm    Post subject: Re: First VW is 69 resurection Reply with quote

My plan is to return it to as stock as practical. I want the original carb and single port manifold. I want the oil cooler back inside the shroud where it was designed to be. This won't be a daily driver. In fact, I'm getting wimpy in my old age and will only drive it in fair weather. I won't drive it if its hot or cold. My airplanes don't have heat or AC so they also only get flown in mild weather. Fortunately, in Arizona, we have great weather most of the year except the few months in the summer. We still go out early in the mornings and do stuff from around 5 to around 8 when it starts to get hot. By then, I'm ready to be in the AC working on indoor hobbies Smile

I'll post photos when I get the intake stuff off. It will certainly be available. I would love to trade someone a 30/31 carb and single port manifold.

This is a game dressing hoist. It made it pretty easy to load and unload by myself.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2025 9:22 pm    Post subject: Re: First VW is 69 resurection Reply with quote

mercsim wrote:
My plan is to return it to as stock as practical. I want the original carb and single port manifold. I want the oil cooler back inside the shroud where it was designed to be.


No objection to going back to a stock/correct distributor and carb set up. You'll be amazed a how well it will run. With the engine out and plans to dig into it, you might want to reconsider going back to the stock '69 cooler set up ... particularly in your climate. The doghouse cooler was the stock set up starting in '71 and it would benefit any air cooled bug engine. Your #3 cylinder will thank you.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 3:30 am    Post subject: Re: First VW is 69 resurection Reply with quote

I like that hoist set up. I'm sure my wife would not mind one of those on her Honda CRV!.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 7:22 am    Post subject: Re: First VW is 69 resurection Reply with quote

Thank you for the input Tom Smile I'll see how bad the fan shroud is butchered when I get in there. I think I'll have to buy an oil cooler anyways. I have actually been looking at the conversion parts. A stock Doghouse setup would not bother me.

I'm a Test Pilot and EAA Technical Counselor and fly/help lots of people with Homebuilt airplanes. It always amazes me how much people think 'modifications' make things 'better'.

My wife and I (both Aerospace Engineers) were just talking about this subject this morning.

The hoist is actually pretty cool for as simple as it it. It breaks down real easy. The thrust bearing makes it nice to pick up a motor and just swing it to where it needs to go. The cart will get modified so it can be used off either side or the traditional hitch location. The cart gets used around the airport pretty regularly.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 9:53 am    Post subject: Re: First VW is 69 resurection Reply with quote

mercsim wrote:
The hoist is actually pretty cool for as simple as it it. It breaks down real easy. The thrust bearing makes it nice to pick up a motor and just swing it to where it needs to go. The cart will get modified so it can be used off either side or the traditional hitch location. The cart gets used around the airport pretty regularly.


What brand/model is the hoist you are using? I'm a one man operation and could sure use a helper like this for loading hefty stuff in our truck and SUV (both have 2" hitches). Thanks!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 12:58 pm    Post subject: Re: First VW is 69 resurection Reply with quote

Its a game hoist. I got this one at Sheels but Amazon has them. I paid $150 cash and carry. I wanted it now and didn't mind spending the wife's money Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2025 1:12 pm    Post subject: Re: First VW is 69 resurection Reply with quote

This came up on Marketplace in my area. Can anyone tell me if it's stock and correct for the 1500? What is the extra little heat exchanger for? Th aftermarket one I removed (single exhaust) didn't have anything like that.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2025 3:16 pm    Post subject: Re: First VW is 69 resurection Reply with quote

Those connect to the big hoses that come off of the fan shroud. There should be one on each side. There is a metal cylinder that inserts into those that sticks up thru the engine tin and the hose from the fan housing connects to that. if no one posts a picture for you I will get a picture for you tomorrow.
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