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Snoopy1971 Samba Member

Joined: May 15, 2020 Posts: 251 Location: Parkville, Maryland
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 10:48 am Post subject: Fuel pump failure? |
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OK, new problem … Backstory, I dropped the engine to chase an oil leak, so replaced the oil cooler and seals, reassembled, ran it remotely … No oil leak!!! … Then did a compression test, had zero in #3, disassembled again and discovered a nice chunk missing from the piston. So I just also did a top end rebuild. New pistons, cylinders, and heads. I replaced my fuel filter because there was a hunk of crap in it (which I had replaced 13 months ago), and the all the hard and soft fuel lines were also replaced 13 months ago (including the hard line through the tunnel, ran a new line through the drivers side when I accidentally hit the line coming out the chassis when I was changing the clutch cable ).
So after the top end rebuild, I ran the engine remotely outside of the car no problem 2 weeks ago. I put the engine back in the car, and after fighting with a Chinesium starter bolt, I got everything squared away. Everything connected, etc. Go to start it, and it wouldn’t start. Or I should say, it starts, but wont stay running longer than like 2 or 3 seconds. I squirt some gas in the carb to help it along, and still same result.
I look down the carb while I’m pumping the throttle arm on the carb, and at first, I see some gas come out, but then after that, it either spits some gas out (not constant flow) or no gas at all.
So sensing a fuel delivery issue, I started troubleshooting. I removed my fuel filter I had just installed (I could blow through it just fine … mmmm gas tastes good!!!), and temporarily replaced it with a piece of tubing (same I used for the new fuel line last year). Tried to start it … same result.
Then I eliminated the gas tank, fuel line, fuel filter entirely and removed the suction line of the fuel pump and put a line from it into a gas can (just like when I ran it remotely) … same result.
Then I put it all that back the way it was and removed the fuel line at the carb and stuck that in a jar, removed the wire to the coil, and turned the key to see if any gas would come out at a consistent flow … it didn’t. Came out at first, then didn’t, as seen in this vid:
https://youtube.com/shorts/7Z9k-q0j5rI?si=sEWjoWnOv1Nt7yxb
So what is everyone’s thought on this? Fuel pump crapped out right? Maybe the diaphragm is ripped inside? Only other thing I can think of is something blocking that short run of fuel line from the pump to the carb. I haven’t actually taken that off yet to verify that it’s unblocked. I believe my fuel pump is aftermarket, but in the style of the oem Pierburg ones that were for ’62-65 (I have a ’6 , that has the dome top on it. … I mean what are the odds that the fuel pump craps out when I get it back in the car, when it just ran fine 2 weeks prior.
I haven’t taken the fuel pump off yet or taken the top off it off yet to see if the diaphram is ripped. Thinking of one of the rebuilt squaretop Pierburg ones from the Sparxwerks guy. _________________ 1968 Bug |
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my3bugs Samba Member
Joined: June 18, 2003 Posts: 826 Location: Moreno Valley
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 10:54 am Post subject: Re: Fuel pump failure? |
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you sure you have gas in the tank ? i recently got a square top pump for my bug to replace the disposable one it had . but i kept is as a back up cuz it still worked . some of these pumps have like a check valve inside so fuel doesnt flow when its not running ........
so try taking the fuel line off before the pump and confirm you have gravity fuel flow to there ??? just making sure you have gas getting to the pump ??? |
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Cusser Samba Member

Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 33035 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 11:37 am Post subject: Re: Fuel pump failure? |
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my3bugs wrote: |
so try taking the fuel line off before the pump and confirm you have gravity fuel flow to there ??? just making sure you have gas getting to the pump ??? |
Agree. Add some gasoline, jack up the front end, and confirm this. Many times a fuel pump needs to get a good prime to get the air out of the lines - it's not engineered to pump air, just gasoline. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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67rustavenger Samba Member

Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 11004 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 11:44 am Post subject: Re: Fuel pump failure? |
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I've had a fuel pump loose prime in the past.
I used a small squeeze bottle to fill the fuel line between the carb and pump. Placed the pump inlet line in a gas can and cranked the engine, condenser wire disconnected and observed fuel flowing into a catch bottle.
Reinstalled the pump inlet and outlet lines and the carb line.
Fired right up.
Maybe you can try this to see if your pump lost prime. _________________ I have learned over the years.
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Snoopy1971 Samba Member

Joined: May 15, 2020 Posts: 251 Location: Parkville, Maryland
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 12:31 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel pump failure? |
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my3bugs wrote: |
you sure you have gas in the tank ? i recently got a square top pump for my bug to replace the disposable one it had . but i kept is as a back up cuz it still worked . some of these pumps have like a check valve inside so fuel doesnt flow when its not running ........
so try taking the fuel line off before the pump and confirm you have gravity fuel flow to there ??? just making sure you have gas getting to the pump ??? |
Ih yes forgot to mention there is gas in the tank ... and gas in my fuel filter ... but Like I said, even using a gas can fir the fuel source, I got the same result, so the gas tank level is irrelevant. _________________ 1968 Bug |
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Snoopy1971 Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 12:36 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel pump failure? |
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Cusser wrote: |
my3bugs wrote: |
so try taking the fuel line off before the pump and confirm you have gravity fuel flow to there ??? just making sure you have gas getting to the pump ??? |
Agree. Add some gasoline, jack up the front end, and confirm this. Many times a fuel pump needs to get a good prime to get the air out of the lines - it's not engineered to pump air, just gasoline. |
Ill give it a whirl when I get a chance. When I hooked up the fuel line to a gas can, I did suck fuel up the hose and pinched the end with vice grips to hold it there, and then connected it to the fuel pump, so I imagine there was a very, very minimal amount of air in there to try to push through. _________________ 1968 Bug |
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my3bugs Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel pump failure? |
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i would NOT be clamping down vice grips on a fuel line i want to use ( i wonder if something happened there ?
i have colorful wooden golf T's in all my tool boxes , quick n easy to use . perfect for most VW size fuel lines . |
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Snoopy1971 Samba Member

Joined: May 15, 2020 Posts: 251 Location: Parkville, Maryland
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 2:53 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel pump failure? |
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my3bugs wrote: |
i would NOT be clamping down vice grips on a fuel line i want to use ( i wonder if something happened there ?
i have colorful wooden golf T's in all my tool boxes , quick n easy to use . perfect for most VW size fuel lines . |
Its not a fuel line that I use in the car ... its a spare one just for remote start with the gas can. I have a weight on the other end so it stays down in the gas in the can. _________________ 1968 Bug |
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lboos Samba Member
Joined: November 20, 2015 Posts: 448 Location: Marietta GA.
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2025 5:07 am Post subject: Re: Fuel pump failure? |
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Snoopy,
If you disconnect the inlet fuel line going into the fuel pump, fuel from the tank should flow at a small stream, if it does, you got a fuel pump prob.
I also have a 1971 S/B, my prob. was when I replaced the tank the fuel line from the tank got kinked and blocked the fuel from the tank. |
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Cusser Samba Member

Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 33035 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2025 7:22 am Post subject: Re: Fuel pump failure? |
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lboos wrote: |
I also have a 1971 S/B, my prob. was when I replaced the tank the fuel line from the tank got kinked and blocked the fuel from the tank. |
When I had the tank out of my VW, I made a loop between the tank and the pan connection. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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halfassleatherworks Samba Member

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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2025 7:32 am Post subject: Re: Fuel pump failure? |
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did you by chance mix up the inlet and outlet? |
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lboos Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2025 8:00 am Post subject: Re: Fuel pump failure? |
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Cusser,
When you replaced your tank, how much slack did you leave in the fuel hose to make a loop ? |
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Snoopy1971 Samba Member

Joined: May 15, 2020 Posts: 251 Location: Parkville, Maryland
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2025 8:04 am Post subject: Re: Fuel pump failure? |
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halfassleatherworks wrote: |
did you by chance mix up the inlet and outlet? |
Nope ... they are good _________________ 1968 Bug |
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Cusser Samba Member

Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 33035 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2025 8:15 am Post subject: Re: Fuel pump failure? |
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lboos wrote: |
Cusser,
When you replaced your tank, how much slack did you leave in the fuel hose to make a loop ? |
I'd guess that I used at least a foot more of fuel line than a "straight shot" would've been, I intentionally wanted to avoid any possible kinking. This is the only picture I have, from my 1970 sedan.
_________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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lboos Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2025 9:14 am Post subject: Re: Fuel pump failure? |
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Cusser,
Thanks. |
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