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Wreck Samba Member
Joined: July 19, 2014 Posts: 1312 Location: Brisbane
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2025 5:46 pm Post subject: Re: Endcastings flow? |
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Earlier you stated this
"According to my mathing, with he help of some online calculators , a N/A 2276 turning 5500 rpm at 100% VE flows 220 cfm. If your running a single center mount carb then you have 2 endcastings, each capable of flowing minimum of 110 CFM to as much as 130 CFM.
Even if you only counted the flow per cylinder at a time, each one only flows 55 CFM , which is half what the endcasting is capable of.
Tell me if im missing something here?
I am attempting to get you to visualise how low 55cfm is and that the flow numbers for the end castings is per throat , not both . So a stock head at 0.100" lift is in the ball park of 55cfm .
If I get a chance tonight , I'll plug a 2.3lt 4 cylinder etc into pipemax and 5500 at 55CFM and see what the VE is . |
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BFB Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2025 6:05 pm Post subject: Re: Endcastings flow? |
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Wreck wrote: |
Earlier you stated this
"According to my mathing, with he help of some online calculators , a N/A 2276 turning 5500 rpm at 100% VE flows 220 cfm. If your running a single center mount carb then you have 2 endcastings, each capable of flowing minimum of 110 CFM to as much as 130 CFM.
Even if you only counted the flow per cylinder at a time, each one only flows 55 CFM , which is half what the endcasting is capable of.
Tell me if im missing something here?
I am attempting to get you to visualise how low 55cfm is and that the flow numbers for the end castings is per throat , not both . So a stock head at 0.100" lift is in the ball park of 55cfm .
If I get a chance tonight , I'll plug a 2.3lt 4 cylinder etc into pipemax and 5500 at 55CFM and see what the VE is . |
Oh i know 55 cfm is low. Have you ever plugged in the numbers for what a 1600’s cfm is? It’s stupid low, like 120 cfm , which is why ppl have trouble with much bigger carbs ( single ) than a pict. hell, this is the same scenario even with bigger engines too and why theres so many post of having flat spots and needing to “roll on the throttle” vs being able to floor it.
I also didnt say anything about those flow numbers being for both throats, i was meaning the numbers for both end castings, so the whole flow for the engine ( by using two endcastings). But being totally honest i did not think about only one throat being flowed at a time until you mentioned it.
However, my point then was that that would raise the total flow capability of the end casting as a whole, maybe not doubling the number but still more than the single throat’s cfm.
As far as you pipemax, i think your not listening and still dwelling on the 100% VE. I dont give a shit about VE, never did. Please re-read what ive written.
I think your trying so hard to make me see your point that you’re not seeing mine _________________ "how am i supposed to torque the rear wheel nut to 250 ft lbs??? " - clonebug
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modok Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 27656 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: Endcastings flow? |
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I have a set of four 48 IDAs for a small block ford, 40mm vents
What is the cfm rating of that, in caveman units?
around 1500 or so?
I know it's not enough to make "real" power by todays standards
but beyond 450hp/6000k is where the block starts to crack in half so it's perfect IMO |
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Alstrup Samba Member
Joined: July 12, 2007 Posts: 7822 Location: Videbaek Denmark
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2025 1:20 am Post subject: Re: Endcastings flow? |
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modok wrote: |
I have a set of four 48 IDAs for a small block ford, 40mm vents
What is the cfm rating of that, in caveman units?
around 1500 or so?
I know it's not enough to make "real" power by todays standards
but beyond 450hp/6000k is where the block starts to crack in half so it's perfect IMO |
On a V8 ? around 600 _________________ https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=435993 |
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BFB Samba Member

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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2025 10:26 am Post subject: Re: Endcastings flow? |
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Alstrup wrote: |
modok wrote: |
I have a set of four 48 IDAs for a small block ford, 40mm vents
What is the cfm rating of that, in caveman units?
around 1500 or so?
I know it's not enough to make "real" power by todays standards
but beyond 450hp/6000k is where the block starts to crack in half so it's perfect IMO |
On a V8 ? around 600 |
600 what ? CFM or HP? _________________ "how am i supposed to torque the rear wheel nut to 250 ft lbs??? " - clonebug
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BFB Samba Member

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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2025 10:41 am Post subject: Re: Endcastings flow? |
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As far as end castings, what about the T1 efi ones that are split. Anyone compare their flow to the “normal” DP ones? _________________ "how am i supposed to torque the rear wheel nut to 250 ft lbs??? " - clonebug
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modok Samba Member

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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2025 11:34 pm Post subject: Re: Endcastings flow? |
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Not sure which ones you mean, but I'm pretty sure all the OEM EFi manifolds are significantly smaller diameter, under 30mm ID |
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Wreck Samba Member
Joined: July 19, 2014 Posts: 1312 Location: Brisbane
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: Endcastings flow? |
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throwing this out there .
Has anyone welded some helmholtz resonators to the end castings to even the intake volume per runner ,mainly to help with low rpm /idle quality and even AFR ? when using a larger duration cam . |
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modok Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 10:02 pm Post subject: Re: Endcastings flow? |
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I've looked into it, simulated putting a resonator anywhere I could think possibly make sense in the handlebar intake but so far found nothing useful.
The idea of small plenums on either side does not work well overall either. |
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earthquake Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: Endcastings flow? |
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Has any body ever used a set of short K-dog manifolds and made a nice flowing upper manifold that bolts to them? It might be a little tall.
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Rob Combs Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: Endcastings flow? |
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earthquake wrote: |
Has any body ever used a set of short K-dog manifolds and made a nice flowing upper manifold that bolts to them? It might be a little tall.
eQ |
This just gave me an idea for what to do with my cracked race trim manifolds. A few pie cuts to make a sharper turn into a regular center section and back in business… |
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BFB Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 3:47 pm Post subject: Re: Endcastings flow? |
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earthquake wrote: |
Has any body ever used a set of short K-dog manifolds and made a nice flowing upper manifold that bolts to them? It might be a little tall.
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Pics? _________________ "how am i supposed to torque the rear wheel nut to 250 ft lbs??? " - clonebug
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BFB Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 4:18 pm Post subject: Re: Endcastings flow? |
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so, im going to assume none of you know otherwise someone wouldve chimed in to educate me. But on further reading & research ( which btw is not easy to find ) , cfm ratings on intakes are not comparable to cylinder cfm ratings, in a similar way to carb cfm’s ratings being different, not only between 2 & 4bbl but between carbs, heads, and engine. Im not going to try to explain it because 1. I dont remember enough specifics ( although i did save what i found ) and 2 i spent too much time looking for what i found.
Also read a lot that stated making flow numbers of heads & intake your primary focus, is a huge mistake as it’s only one factor in several dozen. All the other points made a lot of sense. Really seems flow numbers are another one of the marketing ploys that weve been taught to focus on _________________ "how am i supposed to torque the rear wheel nut to 250 ft lbs??? " - clonebug
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Brian_e  Samba Member

Joined: July 28, 2009 Posts: 3961 Location: Rapid City, South Dakota
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 5:43 pm Post subject: Re: Endcastings flow? |
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BFB wrote: |
Really seems flow numbers are another one of the marketing ploys that we've been taught to focus on |
Correct. Flow numbers are really irrelevant, and are a ways down on the list of important factors when choosing heads.
Average airspeed is FAR more important, and an easy way to determine how efficient a head really is.
Comparing two head flowed on different benches is also near worthless.
Flow numbers are just like comparing peak HP Dyno numbers. They really don’t tell much about the engine. Just like looking at average airspeed, a guy is much better off looking at the average torque numbers rather than peak numbers.
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Alstrup Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2025 5:58 am Post subject: Re: Endcastings flow? |
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Rob Combs wrote: |
earthquake wrote: |
Has any body ever used a set of short K-dog manifolds and made a nice flowing upper manifold that bolts to them? It might be a little tall.
eQ |
This just gave me an idea for what to do with my cracked race trim manifolds. A few pie cuts to make a sharper turn into a regular center section and back in business… |
K dog (Kadron) manifolds dont flow much better than a set of mildly massaged end castings unless they are heavily welded and modified. So not much idea in that. _________________ https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=435993 |
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