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LAGrunthaner  Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2025 3:14 am Post subject: Poppy's Patina |
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My neighbor bought an old pickup truck to drive on weekends and after work. It's a 1975 Jeep. Being I'm a motör-head he asked me what he should do about the surface rust on the bed. I suggested to keep the patina unless he was going to put a boatload of money into a full restoration in the near future, which he isn't.
I stumbled across this product and wanted to know if anyone has tried it as it's very pricy but looks easy for him. What could possibly be in it for them to charge such a high price?
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| Have you considered simply starting with a nicer bus? I don't know what your skills are, but the race is easier if you can see the finish line. If you are not a runner, don't start off doing a marathon. |
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OldSchoolVW's  Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2025 9:01 am Post subject: Re: Poppy's Patina |
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| LAGrunthaner wrote: |
| What could possibly be in it for them to charge such a high price? |
Derek Bieri's stuff goes for a similar price.
https://www.vicegripgarage.com/collections/patina-preserver
The concoction he mixes up on his show is made with common off-the-workshop-shelf ingredients ... certainly not the kind of products that would run up the price like that. Looks like Derek is looking to make hay while the sun shines ...  _________________ Tom
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Slow-N-Rusty Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2025 10:23 am Post subject: Re: Poppy's Patina |
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The mixture he used on the show was 3 parts linseed oil to 1 part mineral spirits.
That expensive stuff he sells apparently has like 20 ingredients and is patented. Seems more like a quick money grab than anything else. |
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viiking Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2025 4:17 pm Post subject: Re: Poppy's Patina |
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| LAGrunthaner wrote: |
I stumbled across this product and wanted to know if anyone has tried it as it's very pricy but looks easy for him. What could possibly be in it for them to charge such a high price?
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The short answer is that it is just a bunch of solvents. The art is in what they do.
I searched the Safety Data Sheet and I found this. It appears to be only for the Part A not catalyst. I would assume the catalyst would just be some iso-cyanate produce as for most clear coats.
2-Propanone 10-15%
Carbonic Acid, Dimethyl Ester 10-15%
2-Butoxyethanol <1%
Methyl Amyl Ketone 1-5%
Butyl Acetate 1-5%
p-Chlorobenzotrifluoride 45-50%
Dimethylbenzene (i.e. xylene) 1-5 % _________________ 1968 1500 RHD Lotus White Beetle since birth. In the hospital for major surgery
1966 Lancia Flavia Pininfarina Coupe - in the waiting room
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67ctbug Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2025 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: Poppy's Patina |
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I wouldn't let it near a car. I can't imagine how big of a pain it would make a real paint job in the future. _________________ '67 Beetle L41
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...or the PO envied the terrorists' bus in "Back to the Future".  |
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| He's fine, just waiting for the dragon in winklepickers to move out of his lane. |
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LAGrunthaner  Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2025 3:32 am Post subject: Re: Poppy's Patina |
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Wow great replies! You guys ROCK!
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| I wouldn't let it near a car. I can't imagine how big of a pain it would make a real paint job in the future. |
Yes removal for paint prep would be awful. I've always thought ahead too such-as why put FatMat on the cargo floors of my bus because maybe in the future I'd need to do some body work and heating and scraping that gooey crap off would be a nightmare.
| Slow-N-Rusty wrote: |
The mixture he used on the show was 3 parts linseed oil to 1 part mineral spirits.
That expensive stuff he sells apparently has like 20 ingredients and is patented. Seems more like a quick money grab than anything else. |
I like the ratio of "3 parts linseed oil to 1 part mineral spirits", but can I assume that too will be a nightmare to remove as pre-paint prep?
What is the consensus of preserving the metal (note he lives in the north east and too many cars in his garage for storage) which maybe he will eventually paint? Is TR3 wax an option for him? That's what I use on my other patina vehicles which I will never paint.
Perhaps the best option for him is POR-15? Any thoughts? I'll assume he will rattle can what is needed as a blend next year.
Again, thank you kindly, Linda.
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| Lind wrote: |
| Have you considered simply starting with a nicer bus? I don't know what your skills are, but the race is easier if you can see the finish line. If you are not a runner, don't start off doing a marathon. |
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NJ John Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2025 8:23 am Post subject: Re: Poppy's Patina |
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But, there are the wipe on clear coats. In gloss, satin and matte. Kinda more of a paint job. Poppy’s, Vice Grip and others sell it. I have a spray canned fender, deck lid and apron. They match the bug great, but the rest of the car has a lot of clear on it. So, I’m going to give it a try. _________________ 1973 standard, yellow, lowered, 3” narrowed front, 1600 blo-thru turbo w/single dell 15.4@86, so far
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viiking Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2025 5:02 pm Post subject: Re: Poppy's Patina |
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| LAGrunthaner wrote: |
Wow great replies! You guys ROCK!
What is the consensus of preserving the metal (note he lives in the north east and too many cars in his garage for storage) which maybe he will eventually paint? Is TR3 wax an option for him? That's what I use on my other patina vehicles which I will never paint.
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Not much in this either that you couldn't do with linseed oil and mineral spirits.
Distillates (Petroleum), Hydrotreated Light 15-20% - a type of long chain paraffin/kerosine
Diatomaceous Earth, Uncalcined - 10-20% - probably the low acting polish ingredient
Kerosene -10-14%
Fatty Acids, Tall-Oil - 3-5% types of oily fats
Morpholine - 1-4% a component of waxes, emulsifiers and anti-foams _________________ 1968 1500 RHD Lotus White Beetle since birth. In the hospital for major surgery
1966 Lancia Flavia Pininfarina Coupe - in the waiting room
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viiking Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2025 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: Poppy's Patina |
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| LAGrunthaner wrote: |
I like the ratio of "3 parts linseed oil to 1 part mineral spirits", but can I assume that too will be a nightmare to remove as pre-paint prep? |
Linseed oil/mineral spirits can be removed from most metal surfaces with solvents like acetone, mineral spirits, thinners etc. It is cheap to make with on-hand products and the time and money you save in application can offset the time and cost of removal. Of course test on some scrap metal to see how it performs.
I'd use an strong alkaline cleaner on the metal first to remove then some solvent, then give it a spray with paint to see how it goes.
However do not use anything with silicone near it.
One other option is to look at coating the surface with Lanolin or sheep wax. Have a look at options for Woolwax, Lanox or Lanotec and similar. It is used by many beach offroaders to prevent rusting of the undercarriages of 4WD vehicles.
Yes it has to be reapplied, but it is a good stop-gap option. _________________ 1968 1500 RHD Lotus White Beetle since birth. In the hospital for major surgery
1966 Lancia Flavia Pininfarina Coupe - in the waiting room
Discharged: 1983 Vanagon, 1974 1800 Microbus,1968 Low Light,1968 Type 3 |
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LAGrunthaner  Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2025 2:32 am Post subject: Re: Poppy's Patina |
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NJ John, we are in NJ too and 10 min from the beach what have you used? Looks like my neighbor will like the price/ease of removal, of Linseed oil/mineral spirits. Are you saying you went with the Poppy's? They are very pricy.
| NJ John wrote: |
| But, there are the wipe on clear coats. In gloss, satin and matte. Kinda more of a paint job. Poppy’s, Vice Grip and others sell it. I have a spray canned fender, deck lid and apron. They match the bug great, but the rest of the car has a lot of clear on it. So, I’m going to give it a try. |
viiking, I've never heard of Woolwax but if the offroaders are using it then I like it. I'll let Greg my neighbor know about all of these suggestions. Knowing he can remove a product such as linseed oil/mineral spirits prior to paint helps a lot. I'll try and get a picture of the bed so you can see it later in the week.
https://www.woolwaxusa.com/?srsltid=AfmBOooH9iEUiJPphy5_W0Irw4Ji8DdrFZR7FGWiSJArjnlW3BfGIlS5
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| LAGrunthaner wrote: |
I like the ratio of "3 parts linseed oil to 1 part mineral spirits", but can I assume that too will be a nightmare to remove as pre-paint prep? |
Linseed oil/mineral spirits can be removed from most metal surfaces with solvents like acetone, mineral spirits, thinners etc. It is cheap to make with on-hand products and the time and money you save in application can offset the time and cost of removal. Of course test on some scrap metal to see how it performs.
I'd use an strong alkaline cleaner on the metal first to remove then some solvent, then give it a spray with paint to see how it goes.
However do not use anything with silicone near it.
One other option is to look at coating the surface with Lanolin or sheep wax. Have a look at options for Woolwax, Lanox or Lanotec and similar. It is used by many beach offroaders to prevent rusting of the undercarriages of 4WD vehicles.
Yes it has to be reapplied, but it is a good stop-gap option. |
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| Lind wrote: |
| Have you considered simply starting with a nicer bus? I don't know what your skills are, but the race is easier if you can see the finish line. If you are not a runner, don't start off doing a marathon. |
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viiking Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2025 2:40 am Post subject: Re: Poppy's Patina |
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The Woolwax product may be a bit thick to use on the body. Woolwax is a common name for lanolin not necessarily the Trade Name.
I think research lanolin sprays or the like and you’ll get something like Lanox or Lanotec etc. These are certainly available here in Australia but I don’t know what you have in your local market. _________________ 1968 1500 RHD Lotus White Beetle since birth. In the hospital for major surgery
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NJ John Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2025 7:51 am Post subject: Re: Poppy's Patina |
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I haven’t used anything. But, plan on using wipe on clear coat. It’s basically what would be permanently applied by a gun, but wiped on.
I from Woodbridge in central Jersey. Now I reside in Havre De Grace, MD. Two hours away. _________________ 1973 standard, yellow, lowered, 3” narrowed front, 1600 blo-thru turbo w/single dell 15.4@86, so far
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2025 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: Poppy's Patina |
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In case anyone is curious about how the poppys patina looks, I just used it on my Vanagon. I have really crappy 20-ish year old single stage maaco paint that's super sun faded. The poppys clear coat is great, but kind of a pain to apply...
The applicator pads they give you are basically garbage. I found out later that a lot of people are using magic erasers with success. These pads left fibers in the clear coat which I am definitely going to need to address at some point. Also, you only get about 15 seconds before the clear coat starts to dry and then your risk smearing it, which I did in some areas. So not the most forgiving stuff.
That all said, I'm pleased with how it turned out. My Vanagon is a little bit of a beater and this really didn't make it look any worse. Definitely missed a few spots which I could only see afterwards, I'm planning on taking another pass at some point. But the clear coat feels like a nice enamel type paint and seems to be of good quality. Not sure it's worth the price as others have said you can probably get a similar product a little cheaper. But for me this was a heck of lot less expensive then a full fledge paint job for about a few hours worth of work.
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LAGrunthaner  Samba Member

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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2025 4:59 am Post subject: Re: Poppy's Patina |
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Wow looks good 10nbom. I got to thinking I might try the Linseed oil/mineral spirits method on my 1985 Nissan 720 truck instead of the TR3 polish. But as you see the surface has not been waxed in decades therefore Magic Eraser will just remove the orange paint as I have removed paint when drying at the car wash.
Is using Magic Erasers OK to use especially on my surface of old worn original paint? If so what is the best advice for using it, circular pattern or side to side, then oil or wax polish?
10nbom, I love how your bus turned out, stunning. Which Poppys kit did you use?
Orange truck is my Nissan 720 daily driver. My 67 Westy donated her battery to my pickup
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In case anyone is curious about how the poppys patina looks, I just used it on my Vanagon. I have really crappy 20-ish year old single stage maaco paint that's super sun faded. The poppys clear coat is great, but kind of a pain to apply...
The applicator pads they give you are basically garbage. I found out later that a lot of people are using magic erasers with success. These pads left fibers in the clear coat which I am definitely going to need to address at some point. Also, you only get about 15 seconds before the clear coat starts to dry and then your risk smearing it, which I did in some areas. So not the most forgiving stuff.
That all said, I'm pleased with how it turned out. My Vanagon is a little bit of a beater and this really didn't make it look any worse. Definitely missed a few spots which I could only see afterwards, I'm planning on taking another pass at some point. But the clear coat feels like a nice enamel type paint and seems to be of good quality. Not sure it's worth the price as others have said you can probably get a similar product a little cheaper. But for me this was a heck of lot less expensive then a full fledge paint job for about a few hours worth of work.
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| Have you considered simply starting with a nicer bus? I don't know what your skills are, but the race is easier if you can see the finish line. If you are not a runner, don't start off doing a marathon. |
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j10nbom Samba Member

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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2025 5:49 am Post subject: Re: Poppy's Patina |
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I used their gloss wipe on clear kit and from what I've read the VGG shine juice is the same stuff, poppys is basically the maker of both products. I should also mention that this clear gets really runny when applying, so the magic eraser helps soak up the liquid which helps avoid runs, which I have a bit of.
I can't imagine the magic eraser making your trucks paint any worse. In the poppys kit they give you scotch bright and instruct you to scuff up the top coat. I always do a back and forth pattern to avoid any swirls. |
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LAGrunthaner  Samba Member

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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2025 4:21 am Post subject: Re: Poppy's Patina |
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10nbom, that is very interesting that they give you a scotch bright pad to stuff the surface which makes even better sense to use the Magic Eraser, as it is finer scratching pad. The first time I used the Magic Eraser I ended up removing the permanent gloss of a small area of linoleum floor surface which no amount of wax could bring it back. Maybe I should have put Poppy's on that floor.
Thanks for your input.
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I used their gloss wipe on clear kit and from what I've read the VGG shine juice is the same stuff, poppys is basically the maker of both products. I should also mention that this clear gets really runny when applying, so the magic eraser helps soak up the liquid which helps avoid runs, which I have a bit of.
I can't imagine the magic eraser making your trucks paint any worse. In the poppys kit they give you scotch bright and instruct you to scuff up the top coat. I always do a back and forth pattern to avoid any swirls. |
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| Lind wrote: |
| Have you considered simply starting with a nicer bus? I don't know what your skills are, but the race is easier if you can see the finish line. If you are not a runner, don't start off doing a marathon. |
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2025 4:49 pm Post subject: Re: Poppy's Patina |
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@j10nbom - I am interested to hear how it holds up. From here it looks good. _________________ - 1973 Thing, 1970 Ghia, some LandCruisers and an old Ambulance |
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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2025 8:03 am Post subject: Re: Poppy's Patina |
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| j10nbom wrote: |
I used their gloss wipe on clear kit and from what I've read the VGG shine juice is the same stuff, poppys is basically the maker of both products. I should also mention that this clear gets really runny when applying, so the magic eraser helps soak up the liquid which helps avoid runs, which I have a bit of.
I can't imagine the magic eraser making your trucks paint any worse. In the poppys kit they give you scotch bright and instruct you to scuff up the top coat. I always do a back and forth pattern to avoid any swirls. |
Poppy's Patina is a 2 part urethane-based product. Derik's Shine Juice is boiled linseed oil and mineral spirits. You may be thinking of Sweet Patina, another product that is boiled linseed oil-based.
The BLO products last about 8 months to a year, at best, and will need to be reapplied. I have made my own in the past with good results.
p.s. Poppy's Patina gives great results sprayed thru a cheap harbor freight "purple" gun versus wiping on. |
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2025 5:21 am Post subject: Re: Poppy's Patina |
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| I have been going back and forth about using this on my 73 SB. I think I may give it a try one of these days. |
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