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cory464
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 Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2025 10:54 am Post subject: Re: Stolen cars for sale on FB Marketplace |
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| wagen19 wrote: |
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| ryans65 wrote: |
| trailers are pretty loosely regulated in the US with some states not even requiring tags or registration even for a car trailer, most states dont even require a separate policy for a trailer it simply follows whatever policy you have for your tow vehicle |
Just found that
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=abandoned+cars+houston+texas
For private property:
If a vehicle is abandoned on private property, the process for claiming it involves obtaining an "Abandoned Title" by following specific documentation and notification procedures with the TxDMV.
https://www.txdmv.gov/motorists/buying-or-selling-a-vehicle/abandoned-vehicles
For the american average Joe., I assume.
Not knowing whether a trailer has or needs a title or VIN.
Also not knowing how to regard parted out vehicles and frames with VIN.
At least, in the classifieds here, you can find some orientation for market prizes for cars, shells and parts, if the "officials" are interested.
Since when, from whom, ownership, documents, pics?
To continue about cars:
The "cars" here in question are vehicles needing a title, at least have had one and that for sure.
It seems, they had been taken away without agreement with (pre-) owner, without title and without "Abandoned Title" along. It seems, in this case a "Abandoned Title" if the location Houston Texas is correct, was needed and is not there. The cars were resold for some serious money (info samba), so they were not "junk" without value. People who deal with old cars in Houston are expected to know about and the correct way to handle. Why was a "abandoned Title" not on the table before picking up the cars and when while reselling them later? If all is and had been correct, it had been very easy to obtain that kind of "official title". With such an actual and clear title, the value of that cars is much higher.
There seems to be something rotten, not only in the state of Denmark.
Wild West or do better Law and Order? |
most states will issue a certificate of salvage. the requirements to prove ownership are much lower. if a vehicle is on your property and considered abandonned you can apply for a certiciate of salvage. this gives you the right to resell the vehicle. |
Aha!
That sounds logic and serious!
Also still interesting, what about the "stolen trailer"...where is it now, back again, police report?
Now the question is, is there a old title (somehere), a new "certificate of salvage", something else, or "NOTHING" for the Feb 49 split and the other cars.
For my understanding so far, any kind of title, certificate of salvage, contract, bill of sale, invoice or agreement is needed by law, when you buy or sell a car that is not sent directly into crusher.
If any document is needed by law and is not there, to be shown on the table, anyone must have made an error and now someone(s) must be responsible for that.
That can mean, vehicles back and or payment of damages, if not more... |
I'm leaving the trailer out of the discussion.
to obtain legal title to the vehicles you need to prove to the court that you obtained them legally and are entitled to own them. having a certificate of salvage and a bill of sale from the property owner would establish a chain of custody and established ownership which would be sufficient to obtain a title. this would require going to a court and presenting this information to a judge. the court would issue a new title and effectively void any other title. if the owner did present the original title, he would also have to show chain of custody and prove ownership. you cannot claim the vehicle is stolen if you have not had it in your possession for an extended period of time. so if there is no record of them being stolen, and there is no title on record with the DMV and you have proof they were obtained in a legal manner, you can have the court issue a new title. |
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Lind
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2025 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: Stolen cars for sale on FB Marketplace |
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Each state has it's own set of rules for titling old vehicles with no paperwork. Generally the easiest ways involve lying, which exposes a person to legal liability if someone else has claim to that vehicle and decides to sue.
In my state, Idaho, the easiest way to get a title for cleaning out a purchased property is to declare the vehicle as junk. The state will give you a title, and the car can only be scrapped, and never registered again. It is also fairly easy to get a regular title by just going to the DMV with some kind of story, but if they will just put a 3 year brand on it.
Any time you buy or sell a car, you are potentially opening yourself up to legal liability. Even cars with titles can have issues from other states.
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wagen19
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2025 11:31 pm Post subject: Re: Stolen cars for sale on FB Marketplace |
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| Lind wrote: |
Each state has it's own set of rules for titling old vehicles with no paperwork. Generally the easiest ways involve lying, which exposes a person to legal liability if someone else has claim to that vehicle and decides to sue.
In my state, Idaho, the easiest way to get a title for cleaning out a purchased property is to declare the vehicle as junk. The state will give you a title, and the car can only be scrapped, and never registered again. It is also fairly easy to get a regular title by just going to the DMV with some kind of story, but if they will just put a 3 year brand on it.
Any time you buy or sell a car, you are potentially opening yourself up to legal liability. Even cars with titles can have issues from other states. |
It seems, the united states of America are not that united, as assumed up to now, regarding the law. Some back and forth and your property is gone. |
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KTPhil 
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| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 7:55 am Post subject: Re: Stolen cars for sale on FB Marketplace |
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This is the United STATES of America, not a single country with uniform laws. The separation of national and state and local responsibilities is one of our freedoms.
At least until recently...
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EverettB
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| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 3:25 pm Post subject: Re: Stolen cars for sale on FB Marketplace |
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| Lind wrote: |
Each state has it's own set of rules for titling old vehicles with no paperwork. Generally the easiest ways involve lying, which exposes a person to legal liability if someone else has claim to that vehicle and decides to sue.
In my state, Idaho, the easiest way to get a title for cleaning out a purchased property is to declare the vehicle as junk. The state will give you a title, and the car can only be scrapped, and never registered again. It is also fairly easy to get a regular title by just going to the DMV with some kind of story, but if they will just put a 3 year brand on it.
Any time you buy or sell a car, you are potentially opening yourself up to legal liability. Even cars with titles can have issues from other states. |
It seems, the united states of America are not that united, as assumed up to now, regarding the law. Some back and forth and your property is gone. |
Yes, it's confusing when how this is handled is not the same nationwide.
I'm not sure we have a single dedicated nationwide vehicle theft registry either.
(I could be wrong here)
I know there was an instance years ago of a Bus that had been stolen and they only found out when it was tried to be exported to Europe. It had been re-titled in another state without problems.
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Lind
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| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: Stolen cars for sale on FB Marketplace |
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| Lind wrote: |
Each state has it's own set of rules for titling old vehicles with no paperwork. Generally the easiest ways involve lying, which exposes a person to legal liability if someone else has claim to that vehicle and decides to sue.
In my state, Idaho, the easiest way to get a title for cleaning out a purchased property is to declare the vehicle as junk. The state will give you a title, and the car can only be scrapped, and never registered again. It is also fairly easy to get a regular title by just going to the DMV with some kind of story, but if they will just put a 3 year brand on it.
Any time you buy or sell a car, you are potentially opening yourself up to legal liability. Even cars with titles can have issues from other states. |
It seems, the united states of America are not that united, as assumed up to now, regarding the law. Some back and forth and your property is gone. |
Yes, it's confusing when how this is handled is not the same nationwide.
I'm not sure we have a single dedicated nationwide vehicle theft registry either.
(I could be wrong here)
I know there was an instance years ago of a Bus that had been stolen and they only found out when it was tried to be exported to Europe. It had been re-titled in another state without problems. |
There is a national stolen car registry. It is run by the insurance industry. At one time you could search any VIN and find out if the car was listed as stolen, but they changed the program so it only accepts 17 digit vins now, so anything prior to 1980 won't work. This is the database that customs uses on every car that gets exported.
https://www.nicb.org/vincheck
I would encourage everyone to submit a question about why it doesn't work for old cars any more. Maybe if enough of us complain, they will make it work again.
https://www.nicb.org/about-nicb/contact-us
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pondoras box
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 6:00 am Post subject: Re: Stolen cars for sale on FB Marketplace |
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The database that is used to track stolen vehicles is NCIS. But the problem is after five years a stolen vehicle can be purged from the system. This is because after five years it’s considered gone. But it’s not always purged, the best way to keep it in there is keep following up on a stolen vehicle. Most vehicles are recovered because of financial reasons. Insurance companies make sure stolen vehicles are still in the system. They want their vehicle to recoup some of the payout.
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Lind
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2025 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: Stolen cars for sale on FB Marketplace |
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| The database that is used to track stolen vehicles is NCIS. But the problem is after five years a stolen vehicle can be purged from the system. This is because after five years it’s considered gone. But it’s not always purged, the best way to keep it in there is keep following up on a stolen vehicle. Most vehicles are recovered because of financial reasons. Insurance companies make sure stolen vehicles are still in the system. They want their vehicle to recoup some of the payout. |
1965 Stolen Bus Stolen From Spokane - Missing for 35 years.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=385148
This one was not purged from the system, although the insurance company no longer had enough records to prove their ownership and some lawyer was able to get it to the lady who got paid out after it got stolen from her.
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pondoras box
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2025 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: Stolen cars for sale on FB Marketplace |
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| Lind wrote: |
| pondoras box wrote: |
| The database that is used to track stolen vehicles is NCIS. But the problem is after five years a stolen vehicle can be purged from the system. This is because after five years it’s considered gone. But it’s not always purged, the best way to keep it in there is keep following up on a stolen vehicle. Most vehicles are recovered because of financial reasons. Insurance companies make sure stolen vehicles are still in the system. They want their vehicle to recoup some of the payout. |
1965 Stolen Bus Stolen From Spokane - Missing for 35 years.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=385148
This one was not purged from the system, although the insurance company no longer had enough records to prove their ownership and some lawyer was able to get it to the lady who got paid out after it got stolen from her. |
My stolen 23 was very much purged and it’s how the detective explained it to me. I was lucky enough to have saved every scrap of evidence of ownership and was able to show ownership. Even though the woman who had it could have made it difficult to recover she did not. Police made me sign an affidavit stating that I did not receive an insurance payment at the time of my loss.
I’m just saying do not rely on the database being accurate especially with older VINs that do not conform to the current format. My VIN came up registered as a boat.
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Lind
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2025 11:08 pm Post subject: Re: Stolen cars for sale on FB Marketplace |
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| Lind wrote: |
| pondoras box wrote: |
| The database that is used to track stolen vehicles is NCIS. But the problem is after five years a stolen vehicle can be purged from the system. This is because after five years it’s considered gone. But it’s not always purged, the best way to keep it in there is keep following up on a stolen vehicle. Most vehicles are recovered because of financial reasons. Insurance companies make sure stolen vehicles are still in the system. They want their vehicle to recoup some of the payout. |
1965 Stolen Bus Stolen From Spokane - Missing for 35 years.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=385148
This one was not purged from the system, although the insurance company no longer had enough records to prove their ownership and some lawyer was able to get it to the lady who got paid out after it got stolen from her. |
My stolen 23 was very much purged and it’s how the detective explained it to me. I was lucky enough to have saved every scrap of evidence of ownership and was able to show ownership. Even though the woman who had it could have made it difficult to recover she did not. Police made me sign an affidavit stating that I did not receive an insurance payment at the time of my loss.
I’m just saying do not rely on the database being accurate especially with older VINs that do not conform to the current format. My VIN came up registered as a boat. |
The insurance database might only be for cars that have had insurance payouts. It certainly varies from state to state on how long it will stay in a state database.
Either way, the public has no way to access the insurance companies database like we once could.
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vwcooker
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| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2025 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: Stolen cars for sale on FB Marketplace |
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| If he owned the car where’s the proof he owned it or the house!for that matter?! How do we not know he didn’t steal the car to begin with? If he didn’t steal the car why wouldn’t he have some proof of ownership. Maybe the person he stole it from found out where it was and came and took it back. This thread is bullshit and needs to be taken down |
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wagen19
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| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2025 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: Stolen cars for sale on FB Marketplace |
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| If he owned the car where’s the proof he owned it or the house!for that matter?! How do we not know he didn’t steal the car to begin with? If he didn’t steal the car why wouldn’t he have some proof of ownership. Maybe the person he stole it from found out where it was and came and took it back. This thread is bullshit and needs to be taken down |
Sorry, but imo it´s allways "bullshit", to speak with your words, to purchase a "car" without title and maybe also without a clear contract of sale.
Maybe there is longer chain of persons who have had that "hot" car or cars in hand and in several times not erverything was according with law.
You can go that chain backwards, or eventually easier and better, find directly a individual, personal solution and peace.
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Erik G
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| Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2025 1:06 pm Post subject: Re: Stolen cars for sale on FB Marketplace |
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| This thread is bullshit and needs to be taken down |
That's hilarious, you bought the potentially stolen cars and you want this thread taken down?  where's the clown emoji? |
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