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alindeman1989
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i have a 2180cc as well and live in sunny cali. i have a external mesa 72 plate cooler with one big fan a a electronic thing that kicks th fan on when it hits 175 degree and never goes past 180. im very happy with it. sit in stop and go all day with it never going past 180 or so. 
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Glenn
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Where do you have it mounted?
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alindeman1989
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above the tranny. nice and out of the way. if you go under the car above the tranny is the luggage area and i monted it on the luggauge area. never had a problem. what are your temps right now?
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Street Bug 29
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| the cooler bypass thermostat is nice to, helps at start ups,and wont use the cooler when you dont need it |
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alindeman1989
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i have one of those.
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HBRag
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I've run up to a 2110 in a sedan and never needed a fan on the external oil cooler. I've just mounted a cooler on the bottom side of the package tray with some rubber standoffs (like they use on the FI fuel pumps). The oil temp runs consistently between 180 and 200 degree. On very hot days on long runs (400 miles) it climbs to 210 degrees.
The bigger problem I had aws getting the engine to warm up with oil flowing through the cooler. I ended up mounting a four inlet/outlet mount on a Bugpack bump mount bracket.
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autof...toview=sku
I plugged the out let hole on the back side of the mount and used a short brass nipple to screw the following oil flow thermostat on the forward output.
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autof...toview=sku
I then connect the two fittings facing forward on the thermostat to the cooler, and the one remaining (top rear) is the return back to the engine.
With this setup the oil doesn't flow through the cooler until it reached 180 degrees. The optional fan will help control the top temperature (which I do on buses). |
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vwracerdave
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Another option would be a DTM from Jake
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grimace007
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thats the route im goin... ( rabys dtm) but im only building a 1915...
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Glenn
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| vwracerdave wrote: |
| Another option would be a DTM from Jake |
I've got my reasons for staying with the OEM shroud.
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jammer729
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| Hey Glenn, What kind of compression are you running? I'm building a similar combo to yours and was just wondering? |
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Glenn
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Mad Manx
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I use one of the sandwich thermostat adaptors along with a Setbab
single fan cooler. I mounted the cooler in the area in front of the axle
and to the left of the tranny. I put the thermostat fan switch (180 deg)
on the outlet of the cooler, I figured if the oil is still over 180 when it
come out of the cooler I should have the fan running. Beware that
even the made in the USA sandwich adaptor needs to be cleaned up
because it was very restrictive. My 2332 runs nice and cool and the
fan only comes on once in a while. Here are a couple of pictures of
the sandwich adaptor before and after.
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Marty Staggs
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Yeah those and even the filter adapters need "fine tuning".
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Eaallred
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I use one of the sandwich thermostat adaptors along with a Setbab
single fan cooler. I mounted the cooler in the area in front of the axle
and to the left of the tranny. I put the thermostat fan switch (180 deg)
on the outlet of the cooler, I figured if the oil is still over 180 when it
come out of the cooler I should have the fan running. |
Exactly right MM.
Hey Glenn, the single is all you need. They are VERY efficient oil coolers. A single setrab cools as much as a large mesa.
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Banzai KG
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| I use a Setbab single fan cooler. I mounted the cooler in the area in front of the axle and to the left of the tranny. |
Are you running a swingaxle? Because Glenn has IRS and the limited space of the IRS swing arms may not have the Setrab to fit and will have to have it up higher.
Here is shots of Max Welton's '67 Ghia with the Setrab installed:
I setup my Setrab, mounts, and fanswitch (from Aircooled.net) the same way as Max did on my '64;
One thing I noticed where I mounted mine, I may need to switch to the Joel Mohr mid-mount as the Berg mid-mount rubber pieces won't clear.
The little fins on the bottom are house siding vents and used a screen door mesh to prevent any debris from getting caught between the fins.
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Bajaman65
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Yea mine is a swing axle and is setup almost exactly the same as the
pictures. ( great pictures by the way ) I forgot about the IRS and the
a-arm being in the way but I am sure Glenn can figure that out.  |
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