Heating

[Aide64]

Evnin all just after a bit of advice cos its freezing up here in scotland!.Ive got me a 64 splitty with a 1.6 twin port genuine heat exchangers ,freshly insulated pipes and no leaks what so ever and its still baltic!.I have got a spare 2.0 engine kickin around an ive been told that this will produce alot more heat than my existing engine any thoughts??

[jeremysmithatshawdotca]

Here's some thoughts on heat in a bus:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forums/latebus/forum.php?screen=msg&mid=2282
There are more threads in the two bus forums I think. Jeremy

[Aide64]

Had a good look at this site most of them seem to be bays do they have a different set up as standard? Do thease turbo fans have a different name in the uk?.

[fabrichieb]

Talk to Robert Keezer at www.warmerwagen.com
he sold me a heater that looks new! and he stands behind them. I had two small problems with the pumps and he shipped out new one right away. was easy to install and I am not a car guy

[Aide64]

I can't get this link to work???

[jeremysmithatshawdotca]

email him here:
Robert Keezer
([email protected])
if that doesn't work let me know.
Jeremy

[j.pickens]

Aide64
I don't know what's going on with your heat. If it is all hooked up like you say, and you have double-checked the heater cable tension by crawling underneath to make sure the flaps are open, you should be getting heat. Do you at least get a very definite blast of air coming out the centerline vent, the defroster vents, and the rear underseat distribution bar? You should be able to really hear the sound of the engine being transmitted through the ducts as well.

Let us know.

[Aide64]

Ive got me heat exchangers wire locked fully open, and ive only got defrostin vents and feet vents no rear vents.
I get a little air like a gentle breeze on your hand. I cannot hear the engine through the vents either!!


By the way Jeremy that link doesnt work either it just asks me for a AOL password????

[79SuperVert]

No rear vents? Are they missing? Or no air coming through? They put out a ton of heat if the accordion-tube connectors between the heat exchangers and the rear vents are not obstructed, and the flaps inside the round vents under the back seat are open.

[79SuperVert]

OOPS. SORRY. You have a bus. Excuse me while I retreat under a rock...

[Aide64]

Dont worry its now where near the size of the rock that im currently hiding under!

[j.pickens]

Some commercial panel buses had no rear heaters, is this what you have?
If you are only getting a little air, and no engine noise, then I am guessing that there is a major opening or clog in the heater tube or tubes.
If your bus was built with no rear heat, then both heat exchangers should be connected at a centerline "Y" tube under and behind the rear of the rear seat area, accessible from under the bus. Check out the "Y" and make sure of the connections. If you have a hack job where the rear heater was just closed off, then make sure your heater hoses actually go somewhere.

[jeremysmithatshawdotca]

It's not a link, it's an email address. I fired a note off to him with a link to this thread, so hopefully he'll post on here soon. I haven't any experience with splits, so I have no idea myself, sorry. Good Luck, Jeremy

[jeremysmithatshawdotca]

Turns out to be a dead email address too.
His contact info is on the type2.com airs section for Washington State, that's where I got the email address from, but if it's not current, I don't know if the other info is valid either. Maybe somebody out there in Washinton could try giving Robert a call and directing him to this forum for Aide! Jeremy

[fabrichieb]

OK, here it is boy's Robert Keezer [email protected] it works for me!
E-mail me and I'll get his phone #

Rich

[warmerwagen]

Hello Aide64, Rich,Jeremy, everyone. Surprise! It's me , Robert Keezer. That anonymous heater guy -

I've been hearing so much about myself on the Samba I thought I'd see what everyone is talking about.
(I need to clear up those dead links)

Rich is a great guy and patient too. I sold him a BN-2 and we've been having trouble with the fuel pumps for 3 months. I sent him a nozzle holder that was running a BN-2 in the garage just minutes before I mailed it out to him yesterday.

I hope that takes care of it.
The orifice is very small on these and a little rust fine enough to pass the filter can build up and clog the supply orifice.
The BN-2 I have in the garage works perfectly. One thing I use to test them is a RV power supply.

It provides 13.5 volts constant and charges the deep cycle battery at the same time.
Gas heaters like voltage above 13 volts.
I marvel that some Bus and Vanagon owners remove their gas heaters. They all must live in Florida .I drove a splitty for 7 years and it was only the gas heater that enabled me to drive without suffering from hypothermia.

In fact, if you have a gas heater in your bus - you could save someones life who has hypothermia in an emergency! For the rest of us with chattering teeth , no amount of insulation or bilge fans will raise the temp coming out of the front vent above 80 degrees when it's 20 degrees out.

If the heat from the heater boxes is directed into the bus right after the boxes, there will be less heat loss, The extra distance slows the flow, and heat loss occurs thru the tube. By the time the engine heat reaches the front, the air is lukewarm.
Gas heaters are used even in water cooled vehicles today, where in arctic like conditions the stock water cooled heater isn't enough. So much more with in an air cooled engine powered vehicle.
No wonder an entire industry evolved to solve the no-heat problem . These gas heaters were well engineered for their time and still are very reliable and efficient.
The newest air heaters differ only in that they are microprocessor controlled.
So, the low-tech vintage heater is easy to maintain and repair. And it isn't so ancient. The one in my garage was made the year that men went to the Moon. It's space age technology.It's a space heater!
The heat output , like for a BN-4, is 16,000 bTU.
I'm going to guess that without a gas heater your getting about 2,000.
A BA-6 puts out 22,000. You can drive around in 10 degrees with your Hawaiian shirt on.And maybe a small Palm tree in back.
And, they are more safe than the engine.
The VW air-cooled engine doesn't shut off if it overheats. The gas heater does. And the BA-6 for example only uses about 1 pint of gas an hour. That kind of economy really counts lately. So, if your are cold, 1 hour of driving your bus will use 2 gallons of gas on the freeway or highway (which is the only place you can get the engine warm enough to heat you).

Your gas heater will only use one fourth of a gallon to heat you up into the seventies for the same hour of use. Step-aside fuel cell engines. Get in your bus, turn on the heater, and remember that great trip you went on last year when gas was 1.15 a gallon. Just pretend-and leave the keys in the house.

Anyway- I'll be looking around the Samba from now on- there sure is a lot to see here-
if you have heat questions here i'l check back to see if i can answer them- or e-mail me or call. I sell, service , and install gas heaters.

Robert Keezer
E-mail:
[email protected]
Phone: 206 878-8423 Seattle