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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That turned out nicely. How much drop is that? The rear is lowered a bit too? What size are the rear tires? I'm trying to decide how much I want to go down with mine, and what size rubber to go with out back.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.remmele-motorsport.com/en/index_aircooled_en.html

http://shop.volkswarenhaus.de/index.php/language/en/cat/c563_Gewindefahrwerk-mit-TUeV.html

here are good options to lower you super
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:00 pm    Post subject: lowering the rear of my super Reply with quote

I read the posts and i need more advice-my 73 super has-
adjustasrtuts -lowered
14in 60s on front, 15in 50s on rear
custom sway bars front and rear
big fenders
new damper and center link
coilover shocks on a raised rear end
Two issues- how do i lower the rear end? there seemed to be a little adjustment on the arm that i noticed when i installed the rear sway bar
-the car handles AWEFUL, i was going to try moving the tie rod ends UNDER the steering knuckle(kit available from MAM)
any thoughts? thanks BILL
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=294170&highlight=drop+extensions

Drop extensions
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

im confused do i need only struts to lower my 1971 super because there are things that say yes some say no and if i need more what do i need Question
i just want to lower the front
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stauffenberg wrote:
i just want to lower the front

Give these guys a call, they have everything you need.

http://www.toplineparts.com/
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:12 pm    Post subject: 72 Super Reply with quote

I am so sorry, but I am getting head ache trying to keep up with the do this, don't do this, try this and be sure not to do this.

I really need some help.

I have a 72 Super. The previous owner lowered it by cutting about 2.5 inches off the strut coil. It looks great and I get a lot of compliments, but it is too low. So low that if I go over RR tracks or some man hole covers even, the front end hits the ground. It handles OK on the road, but it si starting to rattle and make some noises.

So what do I do? Do I go back to stock shocks? I have a low profile tire in front so it will always be on a little rake.

Or do I remove the stock struts and try one of the many recommendations here, if I can sort them out.

I really need to fix this before the rattles get worse and something major breaks.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seriously call jon they specialize in supers

http://www.toplineparts.com/

and visit Superbeetlesonly.com this topic has been covered many times
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anyone have any input on the versa struts?
87-0910AV Versa-Struts, 71-73 Super, pair (inserts not included) 169.95

looks like 170 + inserts so about $220??
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 1:42 pm    Post subject: how many clicks? Reply with quote

I have just installed the empi lowering struts and they are set to the lowest notch.

A. Are there any modifications i need to do in addition? Such as channel the body for tie rod clearance?

B. What is the average amount that adjusting the rear outer torsion will drop the car? the inner? Can anyone recommend how much too adjust it?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

go past the lowest notch..

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you have to channel the body? How many clicks did you lower the rear?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flip-It bump steer kit from TopLine

"This kit moves the outer tie rod end to the underside of the spindle arm so that the tie rod sits at a more favorable angle for lowered cars. The kit fits 71-73 Super models that have been lowered. This item eliminates the body modification required for tie rod clearance. These help control the bump steer effect. Requires a drill press and 5/8 inch drill for installation. Spindles must be removed from the car for drilling to get best results"

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but I didn't need 'em for my '74 as the tie rods cleared
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I had the rear 2 inner clicks on my super
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok.... I am not fluent in suspension speak... Haha I know a little bit like what mcpheresons are and a little more but I have a 73 super and I wanna lower it... Thing is I have no idea how much it would cost cause I have no idea what I would need or how difficult it'll be or anything.... I wanna lower front and rear please help thanks
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love topline's parts. great quality and people. Heres a list I put together for a friend of mine. These are good parts. You can go cheaper if you'd like. But like the saying goes, you have to pay to play.

Maxx Setup- $1230.50 ($900.55 w/out brakes)
87-0910BM Maxx Struts $449.95
88-2999L Strut Inserts $39.95
87-0988V Front Disk Brakes $329.95
87-0309 Front Sway Bar w/ Caster Fix $89.95
87-0314A Rear Sway Bar $84.95
87-0308 Sport Springs $99.95
87-0920 Flip-it Kit $13.95
88-2002 Urethane Bushing Kit $39.95
88-2603 Rear Urethane Bushing Kit $26.95
88-2511L Camber+ Kit $54.95

Super Low Kit- $966.65 ($636.70 w/out brakes)
87-0910S Super Low Kit $329.95
-Flip-It Kit
-Oil Strut Insert
-Caster Fix Bushings
-7/8 Front Swaybar
87-0308 Sport Springs $99.95
88-2002 Urethane Bushing Kit $39.95
88-2603 Rear Urethane Bushing Kit $26.95
88-2511L Camber+ Kit $54.95
87-0314A Rear Sway Bar $84.95
87-0988V Front Disk Brakes $329.95

Versa Strut Setup- $950.50 ($620.55 w/out brakes)
87-0910BVersa Struts $169.95
88-2999L Strut Inserts $39.95
87-0988V Front Disk Brakes $329.95
87-0309 Front Sway Bar w/ Caster Fix $89.95
87-0314A Rear Sway Bar $84.95
87-0308 Sport Springs $99.95
87-0920 Flip-it Kit $13.95
88-2002 Urethane Bushing Kit $39.95
88-2603 Rear Urethane Bushing Kit $26.95
88-2511L Camber+ Kit $54.95


**Part numbers will be different if you buy all 71-73 Super stuff in order to go lower. You will have to find early spindles and control arms to go with these setups.

**They also have a new Maxx Setup that are coilovers instead of cup kits. These are $448 for the kit.

I hope this helps. This is a list to rebuild your suspension. All bushings and sway-bars, and lowering it properly with the caster and camber fix.

And as far as doing the work yourself. Is easy. You will need to have a few bushings and ball joints pressed depending you the year of your super.

Good Luck,
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks... I talked to a guy and he had used the versa stuff on his beetle and estimated 600 dollars.... Your list comes out right to that... Thanks for all the options too... You guys rule Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:18 pm    Post subject: Re: 72 Super Reply with quote

bobsalas wrote:
I have a 72 Super. The previous owner lowered it by cutting about 2.5 inches off the strut coil. It looks great and I get a lot of compliments, but it is too low. So low that if I go over RR tracks or some man hole covers even, the front end hits the ground. It handles OK on the road, but it si starting to rattle and make some noises.
So what do I do? Do I go back to stock shocks? I have a low profile tire in front so it will always be on a little rake.
Or do I remove the stock struts and try one of the many recommendations here, if I can sort them out.
I really need to fix this before the rattles get worse and something major breaks.


Question is, do you still want a lowered stance? If so, you can purchase, drop coils, coil overs etc. Depending on your pocket book, I would go with the coil overs. Good ride and good performance, and you can adjust it every half inch increments. If you have rattles, you need to identify them first. You can jack the car up, set it on stands, and gran and shake various components until you find the rattle. fix and move onto the next thing. If you have a friend who can wobble the steering wheel while you look under it, you will see a lot that you can not alone. I hope this helps.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rustictoons wrote:
Did you have to channel the body? How many clicks did you lower the rear?

No channeling needed if you flip the tie rods.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:38 pm    Post subject: How to lower 68 Beetle front end? Reply with quote

Hey y'all,

I have a '68 Beetle where I want to lower the front end. We purchased a pair of used Ghia ball joint drop spindles that lower about 2". We have already installed Koni adjustable front gas shocks, replaced the front brake drums with disk brakes, and plan on running 145 front tires. The H beam will remain original.

However, this forum topic does not seem to have detailed lowering info regarding early model Supers like mine with the above specs.

1.) What problems have people experienced with lowering a '68 Bug front end?

2.) Where can I get a decent torsion bar jack other than Chinese manuf tools that are a safety concern? Can I use a early Bus rear torsion jack instead? (the one listed for sale on theSamba appears to be too tall)

3.) I assume that new extended ball joints will have to be installed, but what other suspension parts are recommended to be replaced?

4.) The front end will likely have to be realligned after drop spindles are installed correctly... What dial-in specs do I need to provide a reallignment shop for this modified Bug front end suspension and steering?

Thanks in advance, Steve
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You do not have a super. Supers started in 1971 and have a mcpherson strut front end. You have a beam in the front and need to refer to this thread.


http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=143095&highlight=official+ball+joint[/url]
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