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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:54 am    Post subject: EASY IRS Conversion Reply with quote

I have never converted a swing to IRS, but looking at what the bus guys do with bolt on kits, I started wondering if you could locate the IRS pivots further out from the center of the chassis and use trailing arm spacers and the stock IRS trailing arms to do this conversion. Longer axles would be needed too, but the bolt on option could possibly give more inner pivot angle adjustabilty for camber?? You could just weld it up after positioning like you want it. Increased track width for sure.. just thinking out loud......

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It sounds like a good idea but bolted on pivots may not stay that way long while off roading. Especially if I'm driving. Smile I extended my bajas rear torsion 6' on each side by sleeving it with chrome moly tubing. In hind sight it would of taken almost the same amount of time just to cut out the old one.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the bolt on would be just for locating.....then weld
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think welding the pivit closer to the spring plate would allow for more flexing of the trailing arm because moving two points of suspension closer together multiplies the force/torque needed to maintain the axle stub position.

Now if you extend the torsion housing like perrib states, I think it would be fine, but that defeats the simple nature of your thought, doesn't it?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where can I get one of those bolt on kits?????
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Where can I get one of those bolt on kits?????


Designed for a bus conversion, not a beetle.

http://www.bus-boys.com/fact4.htm
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonder if you can buy just the brackets. I have a 58 Single cab I want to convert to IRS, and I have a 78 donor bus.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wonder if you can buy just the brackets. I have a 58 Single cab I want to convert to IRS, and I have a 78 donor bus.


Yes. Bus Boys will sell brackets separate. I have a '59 SC that I thought about converting to IRS and I also have a complete '74 rear setup to use.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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crazyman1 wrote:
Where can I get one of those bolt on kits?????


Designed for a bus conversion, not a beetle.

http://www.bus-boys.com/fact4.htm

Is there a big difference? Could that one work for a bug?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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joescoolcustoms wrote:
crazyman1 wrote:
Where can I get one of those bolt on kits?????


Designed for a bus conversion, not a beetle.

http://www.bus-boys.com/fact4.htm

Is there a big difference? Could that one work for a bug?


Anything can be made to work on anything else, but this kit Bus Boys makes will not just bolt onto a beetle.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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By kbwakesk8 at 2009-02-04

i was thinking about running these turning 3x3 to 3x6 and moving the pivit out 3"
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your going to drive off road your going to want to sleeve it and plug weld it to the adapter and the torsion housing.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Bus torsion is 1" bigger than a Bug torsion. I like the idea, you might be able to fab up some brackets.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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By kbwakesk8 at 2009-02-04

i was thinking about running these turning 3x3 to 3x6 and moving the pivit out 3"



Kevin is this the setup you were talking about when i bought the 64?
Where can i get these from?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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By kbwakesk8 at 2009-02-04

i was thinking about running these turning 3x3 to 3x6 and moving the pivit out 3"


do you have a link for these?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

These are from McKensies
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been toying with a very similar idea for a long time except only extending out 2 inches instead of 3 inches like the adapters from McKenzies do. Reason being is the ability to use stock parts except for the 2 inch extension on the torsion housing which I would make.
Using 26 9/16 torsion bars and the 2 inch extension I would be able to use stock spring plates for intermediate length torsion bars (24 11/16) and stock length bus axles as typical in a 2x3 extended arm application. Bolt on the adapter( could be welded also),weld on the IRS adapter 2 inches further out than normal and you are done. No cutting of the rear frame horn. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you go 3 " wider torsion and 2" longer arms wouldn't it be the same as 2x3 arms
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe it is the other way around. 2x3 are 2 inches wider and 3 inches longer.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:55 pm    Post subject: Where could they be? Reply with quote

Where o where could I get those Bolt ons?
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