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gixxer 711
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i cant wait for all the aftermarket parts to dry up for our type 3s. all we do is bitch about the price of things. its no wonder there arent more parts out there. it isnt the uks fault that our dollar is crappy. it is supply and demand. the smaller the quantity that is made, the more expensive they will be. it is a monetary risk every time some creates something for us, as many that have done so have found out. if you think you can do it cheaper, do it or shut up!! i am tired of hearing how we drive type 3s because we cannot afford parts for other more expensive vws. the cheapest parts are for a bug. go buy a bug and it will be much cheaper to restore, even if the initial price might be slightly higher. if you dont want a bug, quit bitchin!
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Air_Cooled_Nut
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| ... i am tired of hearing how we drive type 3s because we cannot afford parts for other more expensive vws... |
I've never heard of someone using this as a reason why they bought a T3 but I always tell people parts availability is more difficult for the T3 than it is for a Bug or Bus!!
To this day, when ever one mentions "old VW" or "classic VW" the general populace still thinks of them as a cheap vehicle. This is why there are still so many kids - and adults who don't do their necessary homework - out there buying them and then finding there is more work involved with them than expected, more work involved than if they would've gotten a more modern but used car of the same price (heh, or likely cheaper!).
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blankmange
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| gixxer 711 wrote: |
| ... i am tired of hearing how we drive type 3s because we cannot afford parts for other more expensive vws... |
I've never heard of someone using this as a reason why they bought a T3 but I always tell people parts availability is more difficult for the T3 than it is for a Bug or Bus!!
To this day, when ever one mentions "old VW" or "classic VW" the general populace still thinks of them as a cheap vehicle. This is why there are still so many kids - and adults who don't do their necessary homework - out there buying them and then finding there is more work involved with them than expected, more work involved than if they would've gotten a more modern but used car of the same price (heh, or likely cheaper!). |
I agree, Toby -- I have never heard any Type 3 driver state that we can't afford parts prices is the reason for driving a Type 3 -- I drive one because they are unique and offer a better driving/ownership experience than one of the more common VW's, like a bug or a bus...
I've always said that owning a Type 3 requires a commitment...
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gixxer 711
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i have seen it said on a couple occasions. reasons stated were that the initial price was less than the ever popular early bug and buses and used stock parts were less due to the type 3 being less popular.
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squaretobehip
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| i cant wait for all the aftermarket parts to dry up for our type 3s. all we do is bitch about the price of things. its no wonder there arent more parts out there. it isnt the uks fault that our dollar is crappy. it is supply and demand. the smaller the quantity that is made, the more expensive they will be. it is a monetary risk every time some creates something for us, as many that have done so have found out. if you think you can do it cheaper, do it or shut up!! i am tired of hearing how we drive type 3s because we cannot afford parts for other more expensive vws. the cheapest parts are for a bug. go buy a bug and it will be much cheaper to restore, even if the initial price might be slightly higher. if you dont want a bug, quit bitchin! |
People(myself included) are bitching because a repopped item should cost less than an original item. You wouldn't pay more for Flat-4's over-rider bumper set than an original set would you? When a repop comes out that's more expensive than an original item, it creates two problems:
1. The price of an original is going to skyrocket. OG sleep extenders were out there for roughly $150-200. If John Doe goes on the samba looking to sell his OG sleep extenders and see's NEW ones going for $350, in his mind, OG one's must be worth more.
2. When a repop comes out and seems rediculously overpriced, of coarse no one's going to buy it. Like me, they're going to complain because originals are cheaper. It's all backwards.
A lot of people on here seem to have this mentality that, "If you don't like the price, do it yourself..." That's such a cop out. Make a product that has a market for it. If it doesn't have a market, or you price yourself out of the market, it's your own fault. When it doesn't sell, all of a sudden Type 3 people are cheap. No, we're just saying that we're not going to buy a repop when OG's are cheaper(for now).
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gixxer 711
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| gixxer 711 wrote: |
| i cant wait for all the aftermarket parts to dry up for our type 3s. all we do is bitch about the price of things. its no wonder there arent more parts out there. it isnt the uks fault that our dollar is crappy. it is supply and demand. the smaller the quantity that is made, the more expensive they will be. it is a monetary risk every time some creates something for us, as many that have done so have found out. if you think you can do it cheaper, do it or shut up!! i am tired of hearing how we drive type 3s because we cannot afford parts for other more expensive vws. the cheapest parts are for a bug. go buy a bug and it will be much cheaper to restore, even if the initial price might be slightly higher. if you dont want a bug, quit bitchin! |
People(myself included) are bitching because a repopped item should cost less than an original item. You wouldn't pay more for Flat-4's over-rider bumper set than an original set would you? When a repop comes out that's more expensive than an original item, it creates two problems:
1. The price of an original is going to skyrocket. OG sleep extenders were out there for roughly $150-200. If John Doe goes on the samba looking to sell his OG sleep extenders and see's NEW ones going for $350, in his mind, OG one's must be worth more.
2. When a repop comes out and seems rediculously overpriced, of coarse no one's going to buy it. Like me, they're going to complain because originals are cheaper. It's all backwards.
A lot of people on here seem to have this mentality that, "If you don't like the price, do it yourself..." That's such a cop out. Make a product that has a market for it. If it doesn't have a market, or you price yourself out of the market, it's your own fault. When it doesn't sell, all of a sudden Type 3 people are cheap. No, we're just saying that we're not going to buy a repop when OG's are cheaper(for now). |
again see crappy dollar value. the value of their money basically stayed the same. it used to be that their stated 215 euro, would have been under $200 US. so again, NOT THEIR FAULT. why do you think they are snapping up all our cars? and we americans are arrogant enough to assume we are their only customers, not the rest of the world as well. 
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squaretobehip
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| i cant wait for all the aftermarket parts to dry up for our type 3s. all we do is bitch about the price of things. its no wonder there arent more parts out there. it isnt the uks fault that our dollar is crappy. it is supply and demand. the smaller the quantity that is made, the more expensive they will be. it is a monetary risk every time some creates something for us, as many that have done so have found out. if you think you can do it cheaper, do it or shut up!! i am tired of hearing how we drive type 3s because we cannot afford parts for other more expensive vws. the cheapest parts are for a bug. go buy a bug and it will be much cheaper to restore, even if the initial price might be slightly higher. if you dont want a bug, quit bitchin! |
People(myself included) are bitching because a repopped item should cost less than an original item. You wouldn't pay more for Flat-4's over-rider bumper set than an original set would you? When a repop comes out that's more expensive than an original item, it creates two problems:
1. The price of an original is going to skyrocket. OG sleep extenders were out there for roughly $150-200. If John Doe goes on the samba looking to sell his OG sleep extenders and see's NEW ones going for $350, in his mind, OG one's must be worth more.
2. When a repop comes out and seems rediculously overpriced, of coarse no one's going to buy it. Like me, they're going to complain because originals are cheaper. It's all backwards.
A lot of people on here seem to have this mentality that, "If you don't like the price, do it yourself..." That's such a cop out. Make a product that has a market for it. If it doesn't have a market, or you price yourself out of the market, it's your own fault. When it doesn't sell, all of a sudden Type 3 people are cheap. No, we're just saying that we're not going to buy a repop when OG's are cheaper(for now). |
again see crappy dollar value. the value of their money basically stayed the same. it used to be that their stated 215 euro, would have been under $200 US. so again, NOT THEIR FAULT. why do you think they are snapping up all our cars? and we americans are arrogant enough to assume we are their only customers, not the rest of the world as well. |
Again, this is a bad repop. It should not have been made, or even put into production if they end price was higher than what originals go for. Of coarse, there are people who are willing to pay up the ass for a "cool" part. These people are willing to drop $450 on a repro tach, $350 on repro sleep extenders, and possibly $600 and up for a repro dash(so it seems right now), and etc. These willing people are going to be preyed upon by those making these products because they know some idiot will buy it just because it's readily available. They will jack up prices because a few people will buy them. But, other people will not and will question why more planning wasn't put into the production in the first place. Why was it rushed out? Did they shop around different manufactures? Over paying for over-engineered and over-manufactured products will not sell in such a small market. The Type 3 community is a small market regardless(US+Europe Type 3 Market = Small).
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| and possibly $600 and up for a repro dash(so it seems right now), and etc. |
As you know I am working on the dashes
I did my homework and if someone can do it cheaper be my guest
A lot of people who are in the industry are telling me I am mad for working with such a small profit margin
On the other hand someone must be the fool who did it - in this case (as with the spindles) that fool will be me
In the worst case scenario I end up with the biggest collection of dashes on the planet
I am pretty sure a lot of people made worst mistakes in their lives and lost a lot of money
I am thinking of speed fines, wrecked cars, split marriages
Reproing for the TIII market is and will always be a gamble
Ask Bob about the cloth - ask Gerson about his panels...
Someone must be the fool - some will be foolish (make that smart since when they're gone they're gone) to buy those repro parts
I used to have over 30 NOS fenders - I come accross quite a lot - but when they're gone they're gone !
Just my 2 cents...
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gixxer 711
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| and possibly $600 and up for a repro dash(so it seems right now), and etc. |
As you know I am working on the dashes
I did my homework and if someone can do it cheaper be my guest
A lot of people who are in the industry are telling me I am mad for working with such a small profit margin
On the other hand someone must be the fool who did it - in this case (as with the spindles) that fool will be me
In the worst case scenario I end up with the biggest collection of dashes on the planet
I am pretty sure a lot of people made worst mistakes in their lives and lost a lot of money
I am thinking of speed fines, wrecked cars, split marriages
Reproing for the TIII market is and will always be a gamble
Ask Bob about the cloth - ask Gerson about his panels...
Someone must be the fool - some will be foolish (make that smart since when they're gone they're gone) to buy those repro parts
I used to have over 30 NOS fenders - I come accross quite a lot - but when they're gone they're gone !
Just my 2 cents...
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thanks to the fools like bert!!
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squaretobehip
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I'd totally pay $350 for sleep extenders...
when there weren't any cheaper OG ones left. I think dashes are a worthy repro. I think they're a bit more important than an accessory such as sleep extenders(in terms of looks, not functionality!). And I am one of the fools buying a dash... 
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You'd think we're driving a rare car or something.
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